Uber Elder: it's the Little Things
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For the past couple weeks, I've thrown about 20 Shaper sets at the Uber Elder and the furthest I have progressed is 25%/25%. My build is HOWA Ancestral Warchief x4 Hierophant.
While I respect the insane difficulty of the fight, there are a few things that really grind my gears about the fight, and it's the little things. I could get into unfair mechanic combinations like super slow plus Shaper slam, but I am sure everyone is tried of that rant. So... what little things? The map layout. The fight often forces the player to the "corners" of the room to either hit adds or the Shaper. This is a neat mechanic that means the player needs to be aware of the edges of the room. However, there needs to be an exit from these corners. Because of the inward walls -- the inwards V's -- I often found myself shield charging into the tips of those V's then getting balled to death. Time and time again, I find myself dying at these V's because I make juke inward when there wasn't much else to do. The concept of keeping the player at the edge can be done without a jenky map layout. For example, while I have also died to the Shaper's area corners, they aren't nearly as bad. Cues. There needs to be better cues for the fight. The Shaper can port off screen and then hit you with his beam. He does not consistently say the badass line: "Gaze into the abyss!" This is an error that feels unacceptable. Off-screen deaths are not fun. I want to die because I didn't move, not due to off-screen damage that I could not have predicted. Additionally, while the adds are a neat mechanic to keep the player aware of the room, having no cue as to when this happens gives the player significantly less time to kill the add before he poops. If the add poops every 15 seconds, and the player only finds it after 5 seconds, then that only gives 10 seconds to kill the add while dodging the plethora of crap coming at the player. Those extra 5 seconds can make all the difference. Some cue, either visual or audible is practically necessary to get the player on it ASAP. This fight is soul crushing. This league, I have cleared most everything else in the game short a couple breachlords, but this Uber Elder fight is just begging for more polish. I understand my build doesn't work well for this fight, but these are just my 2 cents. Last bumped on May 16, 2018, 8:51:07 AM
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The Shaper says his cues only half of the time in his own fight too. He often does his beam or Slam without saying anything at all. Just like Dominus did before the recent fix. They fixed Dominus, now they need to fix the Shaper.
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" Uber Elder fight is not a check of your skills - it is check of specific build AND check of your hardware. retired from forum because of censorship and discrimination
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by hardware, but I still think there is a decent element of skill involved. Sure, Jugg-RF builds might take less skill (shots fired) than mine, but I managed to progress to 5%/0% tonight by trying new things. So there's a decent amount of learning involved.
Also, I would have had it if I didn't get caught on the tip of corner again tonight. +1 to map deaths. |
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2 things, have insane dps and have a way to deal with the slows. This fight was built around the insane power creep that's going on in poe atm. If your damage isn't in the millions for shaper, then you are gonna have a bad time. This fight punishes low dps.. if you cant get your hits in or your dps is too low the whole place eventually fills up with deadly ground effects. Either way though, i do agree the cue's suck... this fight does need some polishing up. Sloppy game design should not be what makes this fight difficult.
For the record i have killed uber elder. Last edited by DumpsterDiver#7663 on Apr 29, 2018, 10:35:49 PM
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" You need to have expensive modern gaming PC or you will be killed while your screen is freezed because of lags. retired from forum because of censorship and discrimination
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" I almost gathered Memory Fragments and hope to face uber Elder soon enough too. I have questions: 1. You said about 'Millions Shaper DPS'. How much DPS you need really? I have ~1.4m Shaper DPS and for him it was more then enough. But it's not millions. 2. Is there good fight video with phases and boss skills explanation? | |
" No video in particular, just saw mathil do it a few times. 1.4 million dps should be enough if you can reliably hit the bosses with it, but i am no uber elder fight expert. If you can wear kaoms roots it will help immensely with the slows :) Also i was being a bit hyperbolic. You don't need like 5 million+ or anything.. my dps was around 2.5 million when i fought uber, But then im VD poets pen.. so i can off screen quite easily. I also had around 8300 health, but i had almost no way to deal with the dumb slow.... so it was a bit rough. Last edited by DumpsterDiver#7663 on Apr 30, 2018, 5:43:54 AM
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" Thanks, I can off-screen too since I'm totemist, though have only ~7k EHP. Think it should be possible. | |
" Unless your totems have a long range (longer than AW) then you'll still have a rough time. As I said in the original message, I am AW build, and the dps is there. The issue is getting the hits in. The totems die in 2 hits by anything and you have to be within ~0.75 screen width to let them hit at all. Getting the totems and yourself in a strategic place while dodging all the crap is where the real challenge is. Also, +3 to map corner BS deaths and +1 to no beam cue. EDIT: .....Fak those adds that poop within 6 seconds of spawning.... That's just not fair. (All the more reason for fanfare when an add spawns.) Last edited by Datachanger#2226 on May 1, 2018, 9:40:51 AM
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