Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - Cost of Micro-transactions seem... A little ridiculous - Forum

" Goremise wrote: " Cyzax wrote: " colexian wrote: Let's see how much that costs... The problem is that your perception is wrong... You see this as 'buying the cat', but you're not... What you ARE doing is SUPPORTING THE GAME YOU PLAY FOR FREE with your money! As a side effect of that, you get some coins you can use for MTX. You SHOULD be spending like $30 every league if you like the game. It can't continue without the financial support of its players. You would then get a few MTX for 'free' every league... That's what I've done over the years... Support the game you play... and the cat is free... That is a really really really bad pov to have. You are not "supporting the game" you are spending a lot of money for a tiny amount of data that costs them nothing to produce. Some tiny tiny pixels are not really worth spending 30 dollars on points, the price of entire games. They can literally pump these micro-transactions out of their butt every second to make money off children who don't know the value of money (like yourself) or that by simply not buying this new wave of them trying to milk children, we'd force the prices down. The only reason they can charge as much as they do, is because children pay the prices. That, or if you are so rich you don't care, but you fall under the "whale" category then, in which case, you're just ruining it for everyone else. POE is meant to be a "F2P" game. How exactly can that be accurate with your statement? There is no such thing as a free lunch. You seem to think they are just selling MtX for stupid profits. It's the only income these guys get. If they gave a completely free game, How do you expect GGG to 1) pay their employees to develop new maps/mechanics/skills/uniques/fix bugs etc 2) pay for their crapy servers? 3) pay rent of their building offices 4) Keep investors from losing money and getting their investment's worth in the end. I also think that you don't know what a whale is. Spending 30-60$ every league is really not being a whale, NOT EVEN CLOSE! there have been 14 leagues so far that's 420$ in a span of 4 years. (just to give you a comparison, 4 years of World of Warcraft sub is 720$) whales will spend 200-500$ minimum PER LEAGUE. so my suggestion is. Spending 10$/month for a game that you enjoy is really reasonable even for a student on a budget. that's literally 2,50$/week i mean i'm sure you spend more on coffee.	Posted by SqualZell#1020 on Mar 13, 2018, 8:42:25 AM Quote this Post
on top of that you even have the option of not paying for some time if you cant afford to for whatever reason (or even never pay but than you miss alot of things and that would make the game way less fun). i would say it is a very good situation for players as long as GGG makes enough out of it. sure mtx are expensive but if you really cant afford much you could go with 1 60$ supporterpack and buy an 2nd armorset with the points. if you see it as paying for the whole game its alot but not much more than the price of a AAA titel on release.	Posted by ciel289#7228 on Mar 13, 2018, 8:51:19 AM Quote this Post
biggest problem is there is no regional pricing. a AAA steam game cost me only half to as little 1/3 compare to USA. but then these cosmetic stuff arent important anyway, you just need some currency stash + premium stash to get tings going. These are cheap and affordable. Onyl that map stash price tho, it is kinda ridiculous xD	Posted by Darkkrows#6635 on Mar 13, 2018, 9:20:17 AM Quote this Post
Buying MTX isn't mandatory; buying MTX isn't p2w. Just putting this out there, GGG isn't your servant that adds cute cats into the game for the sake of your amusement. Their motives are completely different from that.	Posted by Anonymous1749704#5648 on Mar 13, 2018, 9:30:37 AM Quote this Post
It was discussed many times that the MTX effects etc are "premium" and GGG does not target the 0.1$ transaction market like mobile games, csgo or mobas do. It was estimated that the basic minimal investment into tabs etc is around $75+ right now to have comfortable set up to play PoE (Map Tab, Currency Tab, couple premium tabs), likely a bit more for more macro space. That's basically a 1 or 2 league supporter pack, where you get the best value (current supporter packs are quite nice compared to some previous ones) If you consider the MTXs to be expensive, it's clearly not you whom GGG is targeting. Yet you can still enjoy the game without supporting GGG in any shape or form. I represent only myself, my own thought and believes. I am individual, not a representative of the community. I am not speaking on behalf of someone else and I don't get offended by things that have nothing to do with me. 3.13 was the golden age.	Posted by Marxone#0650 on Mar 13, 2018, 10:17:30 AM Quote this Post
its to show who got the balls and support the game. When you see that ugly character with a frog pet you know who is cheap af Glowing green mouse cursor plz.	Posted by FULL_SYNTEC#4531 on Mar 13, 2018, 10:43:04 AM Quote this Post
" Ratedetar wrote: How much should they cost ? " colexian wrote: Like, $5 per pet, $20 per armor set or something. I mean, I'm no marketing exec but there are other games with similar markets that don't have this issue. League of Legends has MTX only not-really-pay-to-win mechanics and I don't have any complaints about their charges. DOTA 2 has similar systems as well at much better prices. Couriers, the equivalent to pets in this game, are $5 for the meh ones and $8 for the really nice ones. I don't play these games, so maybe people that do can explain what makes those digital items worth 5-8x less than GGGs. And yes, I know it is supporting GGG. I am not discouraging anyone from buying anything, or not supporting them. I don't think that argument holds much water, since we could simply donate to them selflessly if we really wanted to. It boils down to this: These items have a perceived value and a mandated value. My perceived value of the items are lower than they are marketed. I won't buy anything that I think isn't worth my money. Based on the feedback to this thread, I don't think I am alone. Anyone suggesting that we should pay more to support GGG might want to think of the lowered demand. I suspect sales would go up quite a bit if prices came down, maybe even increasing overall sales. Remember, there is a reason all those mobile games have moved to "micro"transactions. $50 is just a regular transaction.	Posted by colexian#0049 on Mar 13, 2018, 1:20:49 PM Quote this Post
" colexian wrote: It boils down to this: These items have a perceived value and a mandated value. My perceived value of the items are lower than they are marketed. I won't buy anything that I think isn't worth my money. Based on the feedback to this thread, I don't think I am alone. Anyone suggesting that we should pay more to support GGG might want to think of the lowered demand. I suspect sales would go up quite a bit if prices came down, maybe even increasing overall sales. Remember, there is a reason all those mobile games have moved to "micro"transactions. $50 is just a regular transaction. I'm sure that GGG would be perfectly happy to see your formal proposal for lowering the price of their MTX, including the sales figures and market research showing that it would improve overall income. Heck, they might even offer you a job if your application is a way to make them more money, eh?	Posted by SlippyCheeze#7036 on Mar 13, 2018, 2:38:08 PM Quote this Post
" colexian wrote: I mean, I'm no marketing exec but there are other games with similar markets that don't have this issue. League of Legends has MTX only not-really-pay-to-win mechanics and I don't have any complaints about their charges. DOTA 2 has similar systems as well at much better prices. Couriers, the equivalent to pets in this game, are $5 for the meh ones and $8 for the really nice ones. I don't play these games, so maybe people that do can explain what makes those digital items worth 5-8x less than GGGs. And yes, I know it is supporting GGG. I am not discouraging anyone from buying anything, or not supporting them. I don't think that argument holds much water, since we could simply donate to them selflessly if we really wanted to. It boils down to this: These items have a perceived value and a mandated value. My perceived value of the items are lower than they are marketed. I won't buy anything that I think isn't worth my money. Based on the feedback to this thread, I don't think I am alone. Anyone suggesting that we should pay more to support GGG might want to think of the lowered demand. I suspect sales would go up quite a bit if prices came down, maybe even increasing overall sales. Remember, there is a reason all those mobile games have moved to "micro"transactions. $50 is just a regular transaction. Similar Markets: DOTA2 MILLIONS OF PLAYERS LoL MILLIONS OF PLAYERS PoE THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS... oh yeah for sure similar markets... There is a reason why your local coffee shop charges 2,50$ for a small coffee and McDonalds gives them away for free. It boils down to this GGG's target market. If your and other's on this forum perceived value are lower than marketed then you are not the target market that GGG is aiming for. VV read this quote under VV " Marxone wrote: It was discussed many times that the MTX effects etc are "premium" and GGG does not target the 0.1$ transaction market like mobile games, csgo or mobas do. It was estimated that the basic minimal investment into tabs etc is around $75+ right now to have comfortable set up to play PoE (Map Tab, Currency Tab, couple premium tabs), likely a bit more for more macro space. That's basically a 1 or 2 league supporter pack, where you get the best value (current supporter packs are quite nice compared to some previous ones) If you consider the MTXs to be expensive, it's clearly not you whom GGG is targeting. Yet you can still enjoy the game without supporting GGG in any shape or form. <<This is where this whole thread should have ended>> I could not have said it better myself. I acquired my MtX over a couple of leagues I don't mind paying 30$ supporter packs 4 times a year, it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to World of Warcraft or EvE Online. and if you break it up even more, buying a 30$ supporter pack every league comes out to 2,50$ per week. let that sink in and put everything into perspective. Every Monday instead of buying your coffee, put that 2,50 in a jar, by next league you will have enough to buy a supporter pack. Or put a 30$ straight up in the bank and let it get minimal interest, in 3 months you will be able to buy a coffee AND buy a supporter pack	Posted by SqualZell#1020 on Mar 13, 2018, 8:04:43 PM Quote this Post
" I_NO wrote: They really are expensive af lol like if I didn't have like an infinite amount of money I wouldn't even touch this. Differs person to person though, I have a lot of money as well. I don't show my titles mind you I have like 4 and I've played since CB. But even so, considering my currency is NZD having it convert to USD. The thought of spending $45 for a cat seems ridiculous.	Posted by opeth#1891 on Mar 13, 2018, 8:50:00 PM Quote this Post