Do my leech instances stay when I hit maximum unreserved life?

The idea is the following: If I have reserved life I should in theory never be at full life, which is where leech effects are removed. So can I reserve life to basically get a free "Life leech effects are not removed at Full Life" ?

No, the moment you reach your maximum life, even with reservations, the leech will just end, same with HP potions.

Thanks for your reply.
I'm still a bit away from being able to test this reliably on my current char. Still seems kinda odd. GGG are usually pretty precise on their wording. And e.g. Brutal Fervour doesn't make much sense if leech effects weren't removed at Full Life (but on maximum life) to begin with.

Sorry I might have worded it strangely, for example if you have 10 life and reserve 8, then your max usable life pool is 2 and leech/ potions stop their effect when you reach 2.


Your full life would be 10/10, which you never reaach because you reserved some of it, but your maximum usable life pool can be full and leech/potions stop their effect when you reach it.

Allright, I was finally able to get some testing done and can confirm your findings.
I used a character with Vaal Pact, a leech duration of about 2 seconds and reserved life from a Level 1 Clarity and in another instance reserved life from Herald of Storm to rule out rounding errors.

What's worse is that leech and flasks seemed to be indecisive as to what my maximum unreserved life was supposed to be. Life regen, changing zones and leech with "Life leech effects are not removed at Full Life" always took me to the correct ammount of 4750, whereas flasks, LifeGainOnHit and leech without the ascendancy node stopped working at random points between 4690 and 4742.

My doubts were based on Full Life being capitalized in "Life leech effects are not removed at Full Life", which you'd normally interpret as a proper noun, meaning a defined term. For the "Damage on Full Life Support" gem Full Life means the numbers before and after the slash above your health ball are the same, as soon as you reserve some life you can see the gem stops working.

So what it boils down to is that there are at least two definitions of Full Life in the game and for every effect using that term one has to find out for oneself what it's supposed to mean.
That's some BS to be honest.

The "on full life" mechanic's itself is pretty rare when you're getting one shotted by pretty much everything in the end game if you're not building an off-tank or tank. For that reason i personally prefer an ES regen character instead of a life leech character.

GGG don't care about player's playstyle so much nor their needs in the game. So i don't think they will fix this "wording" issue for some very rare builds in the game.

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Blattspinat wrote:

So what it boils down to is that there are at least two definitions of Full Life in the game and for every effect using that term one has to find out for oneself what it's supposed to mean.
That's some BS to be honest.

You are the one who came up with the definition of when leech effects are removed. It doesn't say anywhere in game that leech effects are only removed at full life.

If your complaint is that Slayer's Leech effects should end at max unreserved life, then I can understand your argument, but why hate on slayer so much?

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dudiobugtron wrote:

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Blattspinat wrote:

So what it boils down to is that there are at least two definitions of Full Life in the game and for every effect using that term one has to find out for oneself what it's supposed to mean.
That's some BS to be honest.

You are the one who came up with the definition of when leech effects are removed. It doesn't say anywhere in game that leech effects are only removed at full life.

If your complaint is that Slayer's Leech effects should end at max unreserved life, then I can understand your argument, but why hate on slayer so much?

Hmm, I kind of see your point. You'll have to agree though that it is quite misleading. It doesn't say anywhere in the game that our exiles don't fall over dead after walking two steps either, yet players would be rightfully disgruntled if that was the case.
If there actually are multiple thresholds in the game at which leech, flasks and LGoH stop working (Which to the best of my knowledge hasn't been mentioned by GGG staff in any of the discussions about leech), then indeed slayer leech should end there as well. A much simpler solution would be to change the wording to "maximum life" though, since as far as I know this is the official shorthand for maximum unreserved life.

PS: After I found out about this I switched to the Slayer node (Scion) myself, so if my desire for transparency is to be taken as Slayer hate it'd also mean I was somewhat masochistic. I am far from that.

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Abdiel_Kavash wrote:

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Blattspinat wrote:

Still seems kinda odd. GGG are usually pretty precise on their wording.

Except for cases when they intentionally decide to make it misleading in order to save a couple of words.

Okay, now that's pretty horrible. A player looking to make a build around Panquetzaliztli (I assume that's the one) is hardly going to find a thread about broccoli on reddit. Did GGG get so much hate for the essences that they decided to give clarity the boot?