What is the point of Pathfinder?

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Head_Less wrote:

it exist to troll pvp players

Wait, PvP is a thing in PoE?

No.

basically so you can look at ascendancy revamps, then no ascendancy revamp for PF and think "still better.."

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suszterpatt wrote:

lolwut

- Lion's Roar/Taste of Hate/Atziri's for moar damage
- Divination Distillate for MF
- Wise Oak for ele pen
- Rumi's for block
- Vinktar's for fucking everything

Unique flasks are OP because they were never designed around 100% uptime, PF takes it to the next level.

That's basically my point. These flasks already have 100% uptime even without being a pathfinder on any reasonably optimized build.

That WAS the purpose of the ascendancy before, but it hasn't been for a long time. Packs have gotten larger, farming quicker, clearing faster with every patch. To the point where even the lowest theoretical uptime unique flasks still have 100% uptime.

Any PF buff that says "while flasks active" (which is most of them), may as well have that last part omitted since most players have 5 flasks perpetually running with 100% uptime. The strength of the buffs, or the ascendancy as a whole, is irrelevant. The point is that those buffs which are thematically supposed to be tied to flask use aren't, because flasks are running every second you aren't in town.


All in all, the main problem isn't the ascendancy itself so much as it is with flasks. There's a reason people run auto-flask scripts(in spite of the threat of bans), and it's because there's no thought in flasks. They were meant to be temporary boosts to use sparingly and at relevant times. but at the moment they are effectively +5 permanent buffs that you can keep on your character that reserve no mana. "Flasks" aren't really flasks anymore. So the ascendancy that revolves around "flasks" finds itself in an awkward purgatory.

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k1rage wrote:

you earn it so you can get flying on all of your guys

Farming reputation with Nightfallen just to get flying after you already killed Argus is sure a fun an interactive mechanic.

Pathfinder + Taste of Hate alone is so much damage and mitigation. Add other unique flasks with so much extra effectiveness (not to mention alchemist quickliver) and it's a super strong ascendancy that can do anything.

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Nephalim wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Pathfinder's only purpose is to amplify the effects of elemental flasks(for max resists)/dying sun(1 more projectile) and jade flasks for use with qotf.

It's hard to understand why so many players whine about this class when it has such a narrow purpose.

lolwut

- Lion's Roar/Taste of Hate/Atziri's for moar damage
- Divination Distillate for MF
- Wise Oak for ele pen
- Rumi's for block
- Vinktar's for fucking everything

Unique flasks are OP because they were never designed around 100% uptime, PF takes it to the next level.

Or you can pick raider and have even :MOAR: damage while still having 100% flask uptime. The dps gain of everything you mentioned when boosted by PF flask effectiveness is miniscule in terms of total dps.

Though, I would be happy to look at an overpowered PF build that does not revolve around a jade flask + qotf.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/varobun/characters - BringingESbackBaby

Thats my ES wander build for the lulz, No QOTF/Jade obviously. 1.2m shaper dps with just above average gear. Able to tank shaper beam though pretty easily.

Funny how every single high level character of the OP is running 2-3 Quicksilver and 2 life flasks. Because, you know, they are up all the time :D Also funny how not a sinle Pathfinder is among your characters. Real expert speaking.

Pathfinder is still one of the strongest ascendancies in game. Not only because of the flask uptime, which is not 100% for other characters especially not for flasks consuming a lot of charges like Vinktars.

It is mostly because you amplify the effect so much that you can get to very high resistance caps or make use of other crazy bonuses other classes cannot.

At the same time this means that Pathfinder grants a flexibility no other class really can. You can switch your flask setup according to your needs and will always come out ahead of other classes.

Finally if you looked at the Ranger forums then you would see that basically any QOTF build is Raider and all the non-classic Ranger builds are Pathfinder (like Ranger spellcasters and such).

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codetaku wrote:

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

I'm surprised people whine about this class to begin with. In my eyes always one of the strongest, maybe people just don't understand the class other than "flasks lul."

No one is claiming it's not one of the strongest. The OP didn't say anything that would make me think they don't think the class is strong.

They just... don't think that "flasks" are a reasonable "identity", since literally everyone uses flasks.

And I'm inclined to agree. If anything it seems like "flasks" as an identity would make more sense for scion than for ranger, since scion is the "everything" class.

With that said, I don't dislike Pathfinder at all and I don't actively want it overhauled. I'm glad they're buffing other ascendancies to try to be slightly more in line with Pathfinder's high power level.

every1 uses flasks, pathfinder enchances that, every1 uses block in one way or another, gladiator enchances, every1 uses leech slayer enchances it, theres many examples out there and most ascendancies do that.
Pathfinder is very niche ascendancy and it has large enough drawback not to be #1 ascendancy pick. First of all the skill and effort required is fairly high as you have to keep all your flasks up to enjoy benefits of your ascendancy, secondly the gearing requirements are rather high, if you dont have the best unique flasks available, you will find your pathfinder being rather lackluster compared to raider/inquisitor, etc.

Lol. My PF have 100% all ress and 100% phys damage taken as elemental - i have all my flask all time (even while fighting shaper or any other "long" single target)

So pf mods could be just:
- you are immortal while flasked
- u are flasked 100% time.

Most op class ever.

Killing shaper with 100 energy shield is really funny.