ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP
" Wars ain't free, you know. China prefer to keep out of costly wars. China prefer to use economic strength and economic engagement with other countries to spread its influence that extends from the operations of government, the activities of businesses to society. If everybody is "pro-China", why do they need to invade? They can get the lowest tariff and set up shop to extract all the resources they want. Exploitation without the costly wars, everybody is doing it for the pass few centuries; otherwise known as globalization. |
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Well, gees, it's not like the rest of the world sees American hegemony any better for them, either. Especially if American president wants to renegotiate better unilateral terms for America's trade treaties.
Frankly, Chinese have a more rational image of what they are doing. They abhor poverty for national reasons. Americans, on the other hand, expected their way of organizing the system to deliver, and where it fell short over last decades, politicians among people are looking for culprits to blame for it. That, nothing else to do, and a shitton of weapons, of course. Last edited by vmt80 on Aug 18, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
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Until Trump, USA was ruled by administrations beholden to corporate interests. "Everything was fine", no-one was freaking out over Obama & Bush wars (not even the supposedly anti-war left), because it was all going according to the internationalists order.
Now Trumps gets elected on a pro-american, populist, pro-workers platform and the whole neoliberal vipers nest explodes. Hah! But the funny thing is that it's not only media elites & memebers of the globalist cabal (eg. Soros), that are violently panicking and lashing out... it's also the plebs on the left. the same plebs that are supposedly anti-cronyism & "for the little guy", are now on the same side with globalist elites vs patriotic Americans. LoL! Just because CNN says so. LoooooooL!! Also, what's wrong with Trump admin re-negotiating deals on a bi-lateral manner? That's the best way to get the deal specifically tailored for your own country interests. Would you rather see deals being negotiated inside a cabal of internationalists, who don't give a fuck about american workers? When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo on Aug 19, 2018, 1:43:30 AM
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Except that Trump isn't just renegotiating deals. He's making some very stupid deals that favor a small amount of persons while it shaft the rest.
The best example is the taxes on steel and aluminium. It's causing a major price spike on any industry that has to import those materials for the profit of small steel/aluminium makers (those that produces on a large scales are also getting shafted because they get taxed on their exports). Build of the week #9 - Breaking your face with style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y
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" "Free market" is not 100% free. All countries have limitations, regulations, tarrifs and protectionism for sectors they deem of national importance. China's market is completely shut, unless you pass the demands of the commie bureocracy. EU has strict quality laws on goods and thanks god for that, else we would be eating cheap but toxic shit produced in China. We pay more for non-poisonous non-GMO food. And the american end consumer will pay slightly more for that washing machine with american steel in it. So what. It's probably far far cheaper this way, than to see an industry get destroyed / moved abroad, and people put on welfare. You wouldn't want to pay slightly more for domestic goods (keeping your people employed), but you'd be ok with being taxed more for paying uneployment welfare? Or put your country further into debt, just so that you can have a cheaper end product made in china? When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo on Aug 19, 2018, 4:32:02 AM
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It's actually causing those that heavily use steel and aluminium (mostly steel) to want to move part of their production elsewhere, which means loss of jobs.
Look at Harley Davidson and the Europe market. They have to pay a 25% tax on steel, which they use heavily and 10% on aluminium, if it comes from imports (a lot do because US can't produce enough steel for itself). Then they have to pay a tax to export their products in Europe because Europe decided to tax US products as a retaliation and their motorcycles is part of it. Result, they have to pay two taxes because of Trump. As a result of that, they want to move part of their production to Europe to avoid these taxes. Most company that can afford to move production elsewhere will do it because getting taxed like that means that they have to unless they want to lose that market (losing that market also result in jobs being lost). Build of the week #9 - Breaking your face with style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y
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" Sure, but I'd say that the steel industry (big sector) is in the long term more important for USA than small luxury markets like Harley. It's not like Harley doesn't already have part of its manufacture abroad (but at the same time foreign motor manufacturers have production in USA). You gain some, you loose some. It's undeniable that the rush for profit margins is constantly moving the industry to the "3rd world", where companies can exploit cheap labour and less strict environmental regulations. And in the end, you aren't even guaranteed to get cheaper products (Apple stuff produced by slaves in China is still very expensive, with CEOs pocketing most of the difference). It's a long term game, that might have short term negative effects. But if in the long run more people remain employed than not, its a win. When night falls
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" Funny. That's an awfully accurate description of what was happening in Weimar republic during the late 20's and early 30's. At least that's what they told everybody. Not so sure it was happening, though. Last edited by vmt80 on Aug 19, 2018, 11:03:09 PM
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" what the heck makes you think that trump cares more about the american workers than about the dirt under his finger nails? because he says so? |
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"I think the Weimar comparison is apt. In running Hillary Clinton, an obvious corrupt figurehead of the massively unpopular establishment, the DNC risked having essentially any random candidate win the GOP nomination then become President. Bill Whittle made a YouTube video about how he would rather have voted for a turnip than Clinton, and although it was certainly ironic I think there may have been an unironic truth behind that, that he may have actually pulled the lever for the GOP literally regardless of whom Clinton was running against. I believe the danger of the US electing a Hitlerian president to power is 2016 was all too real — which is part of the subconscious reason " Trump is Hitler" propaganda was so effective — and that we haven't much healed as a nation since then, if at all. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB on Aug 20, 2018, 10:35:06 PM
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