ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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1453R wrote:

Correlation is not causation. The fact that In and Un are making strides now, against all logic and reason, doesn't necessarily mean that it's Trump's doing.

Certainly Moon Jae-in believes Trump had a hand in it. Perhaps he even did. All righty, there ya go. If true, the man has accomplished one thing during his term in office so far that is worthy of praise.

Shall we count the hundreds of things he's done that're worthy of condemnation, instead? Managing to be the man in office when the Ghost of Christmas Future took over Kim's brain and pushed him to the negotiation table does not excuse the fact that the man continues to turn this country right here into a place I want to live a little less every single day.

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鬼殺し wrote:

let his dwindling fans have their moment I guess. If their idea of diplomacy and peace-making is tantamount to, 'cut this shit out or we'll nuke you off the face of the earth', that's fine; I'm pretty sure the Nobel Prize requirements are a little more stringent than that.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

let his dwindling fans have their moment I guess. If their idea of diplomacy and peace-making is tantamount to, 'cut this shit out or we'll nuke you off the face of the earth', that's fine; I'm pretty sure the Nobel Prize requirements are a little more stringent than that.

My idea of peacemaking is not simply nuking another country off the face of the earth if they do something we don't like. That's just vulgar violence.

My idea of peacemaking is conveying the impression that we will nuke another country off the face of the earth if they do something we don't like (and that we have good reason not to). That's a threat, and threats are more about perception than they're about reality.

Naturally, the danger in any threat is the possibility that it might not be believed (or that it might be believed but seen as an acceptable loss, but we can rule that out here). If this happens, it's difficult to be seen as credible in the future without carrying out the promise of retaliation made yesterday. I understand that's what you're worried about, because you've dehumanized the leadership of North Korea. You see the government of North Korea as entirely subservient to a madman who is, by virtue of his insanity, blessed with an inability to fear consequence and thus an immunity to intimidation.

Interesting, don't you think, that that's pretty much how you view Donald Trump? But even if Donald Trump is crazy, he possesses no magic immunity to the human condition; like everyone else, the Donald rationalizes his decisions as pursuing some greater good within his own self-constructed worldview. When will you realize that by making monsters out of such people, you make them as gods?

No one on this planet or in all of history, no matter how evil, is so far gone that, if you walked in their shoes, you couldn't see how they believe that what you call evil is actually good. I thought that was the whole point of Yagami's character in Death Note - by which I mean Thomas Aquinas.

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deathflower wrote:

Donald Trump deserves a little credit for North and South Korean peace agreement but China’s agreement to the North Korea sanctions was far more important.

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deathflower wrote:

Donald Trump deserves a little credit for North and South Korean peace agreement but China’s agreement to the North Korea sanctions was far more important.

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j33bus wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

Donald Trump deserves a little credit for North and South Korean peace agreement but China’s agreement to the North Korea sanctions was far more important.

Apparently Moon Jae-In disagrees and thinks Trump should get a peace prize for all this.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/30/asia/south-korea-trump-nobel-prize-intl/index.html

So I'm gonna go with maybe he did more than we thought.