Book of "Regerts" Vendor Recipe for BETA? Cheap Respecing

I'd like to see a "Book of Regerts" vendor recipe during the BETA, or add it to core maybe.

My thought:
new item: "Book of Regerts" refund all passive points
Recipe (BETA): 1x Scroll of Wisdom + 1x Orb of Regret *allows for experimenting
Recipe (core): 1x Scroll of Wisdom + 20x Orbs of Regret

The high cost (money/time) of trying out undocumented ideas on more than just a skill planner stifles creativity, and harshly penalizes new players and probably pushes a lot of players away from PoE.

How this helps new players:


BETA specific reasoning:


Some arguments I've seen against easier respeccing:

But the current system rewards and good planning!


I like leveling the same class over and over to learn the build better!



I'd like to hear from others who support or condemn more freedom in playing around with the gigantic skill tree and all the fun options it can offer. Without needing to first make a farming toon to fund 50-Chaos respecs or spending another 20 hours to re-level just trying to optimize the same or similar build.


"Take chances, make mistakes, and get messy!"

Book of rugrats would be too OP if it only costs 20 rugrats.
you would safe yourself to push up another toon just with 10c.

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TheFearlessOne wrote:

Book of rugrats would be too OP if it only costs 20 rugrats.
you would safe yourself to push up another toon just with 10c.

My impression was that he intended for this to be a beta-only item, in which case, why not make it cost 1 regret?

from a beta perspective I think it's not a good idea, as mentioned above, need to test how things really go and well you will get a few wipes to help you out with respecing anyways.


For core I like the idea, but think 30 regrets is a better price point.

slows people down a tad but still makes it very useful,

and more importantly can allow for a faster respect, problem i have now is all the backwards respecing i have to do, it's not that i don't have the regrets to do it, it's just annoying to click on 30-40 nodes to unspec, then click on half of them again to spec.

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keeperofstars wrote:

from a beta perspective I think it's not a good idea, as mentioned above, need to test how things really go and well you will get a few wipes to help you out with respecing anyways.


For core I like the idea, but think 30 regrets is a better price point.

slows people down a tad but still makes it very useful,

and more importantly can allow for a faster respect, problem i have now is all the backwards respecing i have to do, it's not that i don't have the regrets to do it, it's just annoying to click on 30-40 nodes to unspec, then click on half of them again to spec.

Neah, a fair cost would be at least 80 Regrets, but that book should also net you at least a Divine or maybe an EX when vendored.

Or the price of 20/30 with an according drop rate reduction of Regrets.

Respecs should be kept meaningful, so your build choices should still matter. Rerolls are the way to go if you want to explore stuff, and that should be preserved.

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sofocle10000 wrote:

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keeperofstars wrote:

from a beta perspective I think it's not a good idea, as mentioned above, need to test how things really go and well you will get a few wipes to help you out with respecing anyways.


For core I like the idea, but think 30 regrets is a better price point.

slows people down a tad but still makes it very useful,

and more importantly can allow for a faster respect, problem i have now is all the backwards respecing i have to do, it's not that i don't have the regrets to do it, it's just annoying to click on 30-40 nodes to unspec, then click on half of them again to spec.

Neah, a fair cost would be at least 80 Regrets, but that book should also net you at least a Divine or maybe an EX when vendored.

Or the price of 20/30 with an according drop rate reduction of Regrets.

Respecs should be kept meaningful, so your build choices should still matter. Rerolls are the way to go if you want to explore stuff, and that should be preserved.

bah on rerolls, regrets are super cheap in comparison, meaning it takes me and i'm pretty decent at blitzing through content, about 40 minutes per act, so to get back to mapping that is, 12 acts at 40 minutes, so 480 minutes which is roughly around 8 hours. I think on of the fastest speed runners around can pull i8t off in about 6-7.

Well 8 hours of game play can easily net you if you are doing any type of mapping, about 40-50 chaos. assuming you don't get any lucky drops worth more, that is mostly jsut from chaos recipes / regrets and fuses etc. Easily.

at a 1 for 1 ratio which is usually where chaos falls you can fully respec a character in less time than rerunning, not to mention redoing labs, etc. Hech this past league I respeced the same bezerker 8 times, to test a ton of crazy build ideas, like a vaal pack kinetic blast zerker, liked it but was like himm wonder if i could do this, so did that test, and another and another, point being in less time to even reroll through merci Act 4 i had respeced my guy into 4-5 totally randomly different builds.

My biggest problem with it, how clunky it was do to it. click 40-50 times on regrets, open passive, click 40-50 times to remove, hit apply, then go through and respec, hit apply, be nice to right click once, then start respecing.

Now if you just getting going in a brand new league and do a complete failure build day 1, then yeah a reroll would be called for.

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鬼殺し wrote:

That was intented^^ regerts (op) sounded like the clip with "pregrant"

/watch?v=EShUeudtaFg

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DeMechanist wrote:

"Book of Regerts"

what are regerts ??

Also if you messed up your build in beta, you either need to use "path of building" to plan your character better. or just copy paste build that works.

Giving option for cheap respec is not the way to go

Simulating "real" play through is what is BETA about.
If you want test into failure, you better get Alpha access and help GiGiGi debug the game continuously.