This casual player catches trade bots with one simple trick!

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Mr_Bill wrote:

There is nothing wrong with someone setting up their own indexer which notifies them when items come up for sale. Doesn't matter if you think it fair or not.

But I'm guessing you think it is wrong to run a fully automated bot that not only notices the item, but conducts the trade as well, correct?

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Mr_Bill wrote:

There is nothing wrong with someone setting up their own indexer which notifies them when items come up for sale. Doesn't matter if you think it fair or not.

But I'm guessing you think it is wrong to run a fully automated bot that not only notices the item, but conducts the trade as well, correct?

yes, of course. do you have any proof of that?

PGYLJI
I'm laughing of it...

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G0rr wrote:

They are literary available to everyone just in one click.

And that's why I wont be surprised if GGG not even tolerates, but more (or less) forced this option to be there: their API is public, can be used by anyone - and as an hidden possibility such requests and notifications would just even more favor bot-like activities of a minority.

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almostdead wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Mr_Bill wrote:

There is nothing wrong with someone setting up their own indexer which notifies them when items come up for sale. Doesn't matter if you think it fair or not.

But I'm guessing you think it is wrong to run a fully automated bot that not only notices the item, but conducts the trade as well, correct?

yes, of course. do you have any proof of that?

No, but that's not my point.

Let's say we have 2 players. Bob the Botter is running a fully automated trade bot. Trevor the Trader is running an indexer that lets him jump on good deals within seconds of them being advertised.

You're saying that what Bob's doing is wrong, but what Trevor's doing is fine.

My point is that to any outside observer, what Bob and Trevor are doing is completely indistinguishable. They both enable price fixing in exactly the same way, and have the exact same effect on the economy. So by what measure is Trevor in the clear when Bob isn't?

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suszterpatt wrote:

My point is that to any outside observer, what Bob and Trevor are doing is completely indistinguishable. They both enable price fixing in exactly the same way, and have the exact same effect on the economy. So by what measure is Trevor in the clear when Bob isn't?

Trevor is doing it himself, Bob isn't.

Reading the whole thread i tought for once it would be great to add some common sense:

There are private indexers.
There are public indexers.
They use GGG's API.
There arn't any private indexers that give much more advantages than the others ones.

You know why i'm sure about that ? Because GGG can do many mistakes they would never put them in a position where they can be considered as promoting unfair advantages and cheats in this particular case.

Think about it for a second.
OP probably has been messaged by a livesearch. Maybe by a bot but in no way by an urban legend 21/20Q indexer.

That was my two cents.

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almostdead wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

My point is that to any outside observer, what Bob and Trevor are doing is completely indistinguishable. They both enable price fixing in exactly the same way, and have the exact same effect on the economy. So by what measure is Trevor in the clear when Bob isn't?

Trevor is doing it himself, Bob isn't.

So you don't think that there's anything inherently wrong about price fixing?

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suszterpatt wrote:

Let's say we have 2 players. Bob the Botter is running a fully automated trade bot. Trevor the Trader is running an indexer that lets him jump on good deals within seconds of them being advertised.

You're saying that what Bob's doing is wrong, but what Trevor's doing is fine.

My point is that to any outside observer, what Bob and Trevor are doing is completely indistinguishable. They both enable price fixing in exactly the same way, and have the exact same effect on the economy. So by what measure is Trevor in the clear when Bob isn't?

Trevor needs to think about the results of the indexer. He needs to click the copy Button for the trade text. He needs to switch to the game and paste the trade text into the chat and send it.

Bob's Computer is doing all this in milliseconds itself.

As a human, you have a chance to be faster then Trevor, but you have no chance to be faster then Bob.