Frustrating things in this game which should be changed before scary lots of new players forever

HI All and Welcome in my topic where I must pour frustration about the great game killed by some details...

For now I have 230 hours on Steam playtime count...I reach level 83 in Merciless...Game has so many Pros as Cons but this topic will be about BAD and VERY BAD things(I make another topic soon about good things)..

1.Legendaries in this game(more than half of them) are completely useless! - even if some weapons/items have a some good stat it is destroyed by too high/interfere negative stats which too much affect gameplay in this item what make those uniques completely useless..

Second thing is that half or even more of uniques are only low level ones - they should have high-level equivalent version with normal stats for high levels...

Third thing about uniques is that if I am lvl 82 and playing on 67-70 monster level areas -I should get uniques on a similar level not a crap with lvl 8-28 requirements to wear - To now I dont get any I say agin ANY unique wepon with 60+ lvl requirements but lots of lvl 8,12,20,22,few 40+ This is some joke !!!

2.Currency - drop rate and penalties...

First penalties for currency - this is one big misunderstanding..This should be removed instantly...Of course at player level 60+ lower difficulties should have this penalty but on merciless this should be removed.

Also lowest exp penalty should be 15% NOT 2% imo.

Second Drop Rates :

Exalted Orbs - by first 100 hours of gameplay I get 3 of them - now after another 130 dont get even one...There should be guaranted drop after for example 10k,20k slayed monsters but if he drop faster this count should be reseted and fullfil from zero again..This solution can remove one of TOP frustrating thing in this game - If someone have a really bad luck also can get one per xx thousends of monster kills - this need time of course but make it possible!


Orb of Fusing - should be dropping more often or vorici prices should be changed significantly for SIX LINK SOCKETS!! - also should be vendor recipe for it!!!! - READ POINT ABOUT CRAFTING called "EPIC FRUSTRATION FINALE"...

3.Book of Reform - one of most ridiculous ideas to pay 20 orb of regrets for such a small/insignificant change in current build.This is ridiculous !! 230 hours and I have 6 of those orbs - price should be max 5 orbs!!


4.EPIC FRUSTRATION FINALE - CRAFTING

Today, after what I saw, I mean the price of 6 linked sockets I start to regret that I bought stash tabs and start playing this game...

Six linked socket - cost 1500 orbs of fusing(which dont have recipe and is very rare)
My playtime 236 hours - orbs of fusing Ive owned from beggining - something around 110
Let me use calculator :

1500 orbs:110=13,63*236hours=3218,68 hours of gameplay to get 1500 orbs of fusing

Today I bought perfect Pledge of hands want make 6 slots manually but wont lost jewellers so I make 5 slots for now - then I lost all my 36 fusing orbs - getting only 2 linked sockets...
100 fusings will be good price for 6L - it needs 200 hours of gameplay for me - but dont be ridicoulous with 1500...Second way to make this normal instead of "INSANE RIDICOLOUS" is to set a chance for 6L to 3-5% same with crafting 6 sockets(what I read somewhere chance for 6 sockets is [6 sockets: 0.33%] this also should be at least 3%...

Price for making 6 sockets also should be a little lower like 200 jewellers...
Values like 1500 fusings for single craft - damage the psyche of new players like me and cause that those new players wont play anymore...

You guys shoot your feet by yourself with few insane ideas...Less Players = less supporters/microtransactions...

There is no need to use so insane values ,game is great with few exceptions I post here...Character leveling is long,then chaos orbs and exalted farming also to trade for equipment,after that is many other activities...No need to making crafting so insane...
Nobody "normal" will playing 3000hours to craft single item...

Manualy socket linking is the worst crafting Ive seen from a decade in any game - all results look like this:

1L/2L/1L/2L/1L/2L/3L/1L/2L/1L/2L/1L/2L/3L/1L/2L/1L/2L/1L/2L and player only
looks like his pecious rare gems tend to zero without result no matter how many orbs he have...

This day deprived me of illusions to further pleasant entertainment...

I like grind but that is an exaggeration and serious inflection!!!
I have for now lots time for playing and I playing lot of time but which tells a person who works and does not have much time to play..Even if I can play almost all day this not change the fact that this crafting service(6L socket) is beyond my reach for this and next year..

In this case you guys healthy incline!! Cost of 6L socket should be max 100 fusings!! 100 fusings needs lots of playing ..Nobody normal will play this game 2-3 years farming and dont using any fusings for single time linking six sockets !! THIS IS ABSOLUTLY INSANE AND ABNORMAL price!!!

YOU GUYS WANT NEW PLAYERS OR WANT SCARY THEM WITH INSANE 2 years 12hours per day playing for single craft?
I'll be honest : to this day I really wanted to play this game ,making all classes builds in future and maxed them...But in this very special moment I have a dilemma:

"If I not being able to make a single item craft per next 2-3 years because I need 2 years to get 1500 orbs of fusing - should I wade into this further or I should give up because this game is not for me but for total "no lifers" if single craft needs 1-2 years to complete requirement resources"

What should I do? This craft "thing" crushed me today and I am really now start to thinking about leaving this game - this have no sense if you cant make single 6L craft after 236 hours - this is INSANE!!

If nothing change with this crafting I think I stop playing sooner or later...Just nerve damage...

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PromaG wrote:

If nothing change with this crafting I think I stop playing sooner or later...Just nerve damage...

fair enough, this game might not be for you. The developers called themselves "Grinding Gear Games" for a reason - they said that it's because they make a game where you grind for gear :P

taste issues aside, I wouldn't want GGG to change anything mechanically. Maybe make lesser-known options more obvious.

e.g.:

1. Maybe GGG should make their Default Loot Filter de-emphasize Uniques that aren't T1 drop rarity, if they haven't already. That way, only about 25% of "Shiny Drops" will be "Endgame Useless."

Navali's "Five for One" prophecy might be better publicized, so that new players recognize that "trash uniques" can act as lottery tickets, as well.

2. On currency - that's the way the game works already... the game never counts you as higher than level 68 for currency drops. Anything else you've noticed is pure bad luck.

On EXP, you can easily reach Level 90 in under a month running only Tier 8 and below... I don't see the point of making Level 100 easy for everyone. Carrots should be graded somewhat logarithmically; ultracasuals spending 25 hours total in the game should get X power level, casuals spending 100 hours total in the game should get X+1 power level, nerds spending 400 hours total in the game should get X+2 power level, and the very top power level should only be attained after ridiculous hours of play. Currently, the game is so easy that you can get Level 100 in far under 200 hours if you know what you're doing and play intensely, so it isn't even a chase goal anymore. Levels 91-100 are absolutely not necessary for "completing a build;" people kill The Shaper at level 76 with no problems whatsoever, and the highest level requirement in the game right now is 79, I believe.

3. Why not make a new character if you absolutely MUST have a bandit's TINY edge of power...

4. Your rate of currency farm is atypical for endgame power players. Note well, the game has an inbuilt "fusing annuity" for players who can't play that often; all you need to do is sell rare items for Alterations, then:

Elreon 32 alts -> 20 Jewellers
Vorici 64 jewellers -> 20 Fusing

In this way you can drop maybe 30 minutes a day on the game, and have your 6L in 1500/20 = 75 days, easy peasy. That's 37.5 hours of gameplay...

Moreover, Celestial Justicar is trading at 5 or 6 chaos apiece right now in BSC, which means you can take 36 Chaos Orbs and instantly gain a 6L if you reeeeeeaaaalllyyyyyy need a 6L. Does it really take you 3,200 hours to gain 36 Chaos Orbs?

Tabula Rasa is trading at 9 chaos apiece in BSC. That's even less time needed...

Whispering Ice 6S is trading at about 25-35 chaos apiece. You can get 7L power for under 40 chaos right now. Will that take you 3,200 hours?

Bring of Rain, another item granting 7L power, is practically free from a power gamer perspective: About 1 chaos each in BSC. Or do you play in HC?

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This game doesn't define for you what a "single item craft" should be - you set that goal yourself with "6L item of my choice." That's going to take some effort.

In contrast, you can 5L any item you want for about 30c (Jeweller's Touch), or gain a multitude of 6L options enumerated above for about the same price.

Does it really takea you 3,200 hours to farm 1-50 chaos?

This is the wrong game for you. You want faster gratification, with less effort, and no knowledge. PoE is the opposite of that.

About 400 fusings


41 Fusings


20 Fusings

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adghar wrote:

fair enough, this game might not be for you. The developers called themselves "Grinding Gear Games" for a reason - they said that it's because they make a game where you grind for gear :P


4. Your rate of currency farm is atypical for endgame power players. Note well, the game has an inbuilt "fusing annuity" for players who can't play that often; all you need to do is sell rare items for Alterations, then:

Elreon 32 alts -> 20 Jewellers
Vorici 64 jewellers -> 20 Fusing

In this way you can drop maybe 30 minutes a day on the game, and have your 6L in 1500/20 = 75 days, easy peasy. That's 37.5 hours of gameplay...

Moreover, Celestial Justicar is trading at 5 or 6 chaos apiece right now in BSC, which means you can take 36 Chaos Orbs and instantly gain a 6L if you reeeeeeaaaalllyyyyyy need a 6L. Does it really take you 3,200 hours to gain 36 Chaos Orbs?

Tabula Rasa is trading at 9 chaos apiece in BSC. That's even less time needed...

Whispering Ice 6S is trading at about 25-35 chaos apiece. You can get 7L power for under 40 chaos right now. Will that take you 3,200 hours?

Bring of Rain, another item granting 7L power, is practically free from a power gamer perspective: About 1 chaos each in BSC. Or do you play in HC?

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This game doesn't define for you what a "single item craft" should be - you set that goal yourself with "6L item of my choice." That's going to take some effort.

In contrast, you can 5L any item you want for about 30c (Jeweller's Touch), or gain a multitude of 6L options enumerated above for about the same price.

Does it really takea you 3,200 hours to farm 1-50 chaos?

50 chaos = 4 days...

I playing this genre of games before thousends of hours in total...So I know it is a game for me but I feel that I must "FIGHT" with so high/insane/ridiculous requirements value for single craft - thats why i post here..Any of this genre games before dont have so ridiculous requirements in any mattery...That was like a punch in face for me.I must protest.I just will not agree now and never in future that single craft needs 75days/8h per days of playing...Its insane...

If you read carefully you will see i write about my new Pledge of Hands with 160% inc spell damage...None of your items listed above not replace it...Staff you listed have 1% more damage per 10 int what make maybe 70% without spell echo support which plege of hands have...

I dont need 6 sockets in ANY item but in my Pledge of Hands..If I want it in any chest I will be bought Tabula rasa - item I know with 6 white sockets,but unfornately I need it in my staff.Any other item dont replace it...

So now lets talk about this:

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adghar wrote:

Your rate of currency farm is atypical for endgame power players. Note well, the game has an inbuilt "fusing annuity" for players who can't play that often; all you need to do is sell rare items for Alterations, then:

Elreon 32 alts -> 20 Jewellers
Vorici 64 jewellers -> 20 Fusing

I am able to get by myself about 64 jewellers per(8h gameplay) day what gives me 20 fusing...
So lets use calc again:
1500:20=75 days x 20 fusings per day
then 75days*8 hours=600 hours what is less tha 3k hours but its still too much...Almost 3 months whole day for single craft - this is SICK! For me personally 100 hours of intense gameplay will be enough to make a single 6-link...
Also Vorici and Elreon must be on lvl 6 and I have them on 5 for now or almost 5 - dont remember.


So this is still sick to make single craft - also remember first I must get 6 sockets for 350 jewellers so I cant use those jewellers in exchange for fusings...Only good thing is that i have few hundreds of alterations but not worth to loose them for 20 jewellers...Better looking 6 socket items on battlefield...

About selling items:
I am new player - dont know yet how to set poetrade to show items from my predefined stah tab but can hadle it if I want...But for now I dont want selling anything because I dont have enough space for storage...Have only 3 full empty stash tabs for my upcoming Insane drops of uniques like a wand with 9-12 dps with level 12 req :)...Maybe later when I get 10 more stash tabs,then I use 3-4 for shop of course if crafting not finish my journey with this game soon,because in my opinion this one point from all my post must be changed somehow,there are few methods:
1.much lower craft prices
2.3% chance for 6L when using fusing directly
3.much higher fusing drop chance(like alteration)
4.vendor recipe for 5 fusings for example(1 is too low when 1500 is required)

In other words anything which let make a single 6L craft per 100H of intense playing and I am not talking about tier 15 unavailable for most players but by 100h of playing even T1 or Merciless acts...

You DO realize that 2 alterations trade for a jeweler orb right?

Also six sockets sell for 7 jeweler orbs

OR you can farm up a rare in every slot of a level 68+ area (2 rings, two-handed weapon, chest, helm, gloves, boots, amulet) unidentified for 2 chaos orbs, which usually goes for roughly 10-12 jeweler orbs.

You don't have to find JUST jews or fusings. Start using trade chat and poe.trade.

This is a high knowledge based game. You could trade in your exalts for fusings as well. (and trust me, exalt drops are fairly rare). There are TONS of things to do in this game to make currency. It isn't all just picking it up off the ground. Take some time to learn and ask questions before you just get mad.

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BJWPDaemonSadi wrote:

You DO realize that 2 alterations trade for a jeweler orb right?

Also six sockets sell for 7 jeweler orbs

OR you can farm up a rare in every slot of a level 68+ area (2 rings, two-handed weapon, chest, helm, gloves, boots, amulet) unidentified for 2 chaos orbs, which usually goes for roughly 10-12 jeweler orbs.

You don't have to find JUST jews or fusings. Start using trade chat and poe.trade.

This is a high knowledge based game. You could trade in your exalts for fusings as well. (and trust me, exalt drops are fairly rare). There are TONS of things to do in this game to make currency. It isn't all just picking it up off the ground. Take some time to learn and ask questions before you just get mad.

with alter>jeweller NO
six socket yes - I pick everyone If I found
I all the time use 2 chaos recipe but I need it for buy "normal" equipment instead of unique lvl 12 crap which dropping for me whole time...From all my uniques I got once I say it again ONCE a weapon with lvl 60 req to use...All I have is from poetrade...

I read about recipes,orbs and everything when I start playing to know what/how to get...The only SERIOUS problem is price of 1500 and fact that most of uniques should have high levels versions and crap lvl 12 should be not drop at lvl 60+...
I think 2 chaos per 10 jewellers are not worth it - better buy some gear or rings or leave chaos for something better and more expenssive...

The funny thing is with 1 chaos recipe - previously I indentified all items then sell it but after some time I see there are only craps with +12% res for example instead of 40 or 35+ what is ultra rare for me so now I not indenfied anything - everything going for 2 chaos recipe..Only uniques and jewels are identified but when I indentified a unique there is always a cackle after when I get lvl 12-30 item as always....

If you're casual you should not complain , it's that simple .

People who play the game a lot have everything they want , drop rates are just fine .

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BestMageKR wrote:

If you're casual you should not complain , it's that simple .

People who play the game a lot have everything they want , drop rates are just fine .

Who do you call casual?
Im sure you are more casual than me overall.I am just fresh in in this game but not in genre.
Also this is forum for feedback and sugestions so if you dont have anything smart to write or trying to insult someone just please do not write anything or keep this type of "wisdom" for yourself.

If you read carefully you will know that we talking here almost exclusively about not droprates but about 6L crafting price...
I can live with everything other but not with this...

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PromaG wrote:

If you read carefully you will know that we talking here almost exclusively about not droprates but about 6L crafting price...

Actually, YOU are talking about that, other people may talk not only about that but about anything related to it.
And frankly, I find it hard to believe you have so much troubles farming fuses. Hell, I'm nowhere near power player level, and still easily do Vorici recipe every day. Every. Day. And I run like 4-6 maps/day, 10 tops. Maybe you should look at your item filter? Maybe it is hiding some 6 sockets? idk, your rate of jew/fus farming just says that you are doing something wrong.

About uniques - you know what, low-level uniques should not have their higher-level versions. How could they be unique that way?
Also, not all uniques are about dps/armor. Some examples: Cloak of Flame, Windscream, Cauteriser, Quill Rain, Iron Commander, Lavianga's Wisdom...
Oh, and also Seven-League Step. Note the price of this "trash unique", lol.