Shaper is unbalanced AF

So i did all 4 guardians deathless

Im able to complete the first phase of shaper no problem

I killed all the shaper bosses with no problem


But guess what

Theres vortex balls that cover the entire room, they DONT pop off when you want them to and as a Vaal Pact character you cant stand on already opened vortex's because they deal damage to you and they slow you down making it impossible to avoid the shaper projectiles.

So we dont have monsters to leech off or return flask charges constantly in the room, we have to deal with constant explosions and dot


The only two ways you can fight shaper is this

1. Be ranged so you can attack him from afar and not worry about the vortex balls covering his position

2. Have enough leech/regen to stand on top of the balls

3. Deal so much damage that he doesnt stay in the phase for too long and there are no time for massive #'s of balls to spawn


This fight is unbalanced AF

There need to be some adds that spawn constantly so players can leech or get back flasks

"

benjaminbona wrote:

...they DONT pop off when you want them to...

The balls are part of the mechanics, and you can make the majority of them pop when and where you want them to fairly easily. You just have to learn to kite them around, ideally to the edge of room, and then walk/movementskill through them.

Never pop them in the middle, or else the Zana shield becomes useless.

i know that ive watched many videos and thats what i tried to do..

The balls do not pop off when you want them to instead they have to like go inside of you first.. i tried touching many of them and they simply wouldnt pop...

I tried putting them on the outside of the room but during the bullet hell phase they spawned in the middle of the map and instantly popped...


please post a video showing me how u can control the ball spawns. id like to see you not mess up or have many of them pop off in the middle

"

Rambopvp wrote:

Never pop them in the middle, or else the Zana shield becomes useless.

No shit! I found this out the hard way yesterday morning when i ripped my very first Shaper Attempt because the 3rd phase bullet hell was about to start i couldnt even use zana to protect me. I also learned it IS in fact possible to manually dodge the entire bullet hell phase. LOL Because i did it but then soon after died because i simply left too many degens on the ground leaving myself no where to go at all.

Second attempt went nice and smooth. Only one death and that was my fault not getting out of a slam in time kinda pinned myself in a bad spot. But otherwise the second attempt went perfect. All it takes is a little practice and its not a big deal.

As far as balance goes its the FINAL FIGHT of the entire game should it should be hard as fuck. In fact after failing my first try then pulling it off no problem the second try i can say Uber Atziri is STILL a harder fight.

The whole trick to shaper is simply place the degen balls on the outside as you can. Soon as you see one about to spawn even go to it and make it drop right there works best if possible. Only time its really tough i found was when they are coming at you in the middle of a add phase and when bullet hell is going off and one is coming for you. But otherwise its simply a mechanic you have to get used to but otherwise its a pretty straightforward fight. He just has a fuck ton a health so the more DPS you have the easier it is because you wont have to deal with those mechanics as long.

FWIW I can do 3rd phase shaper in about 5 seconds but modded guardian bosses can be insanely challenging. It just depends on your build.

I remeber when atziri was hard now I can do her with any build almost. Then Uber atziri - musta wasted 10 mortal sets before I beat her. Now pretty easy. Now it's shaper that hard for me. Fail about 50/50 but i only done it 6x.

There is CI EB builds that beat shaper meaning 1 life. It's all mechanics practice and skill.

I bet in 2-3 months shaper will be pretty easy for me like the rest are.

When you watch a guy like mathil who gets hundreds of free sets from his viewers you'll see he beats shaper with all sorts of bullshit. 5L, 4K life, whatever doesnt matter. Thats because he has lots of practice. Practice makes perfect as they say but it's not unfair.

The fact that Embbu did Shaper with CI+EB (meaning 1 life and zero ES) at the same time shows that it is a 100% mechanics fight, with 100% avoidable damage. It sounds like you just need some more practice. The only reason I can think of that the vortex balls would not pop at the right place is that you are playing on predictive?

first of all when i read 'deathless' i immediately assume you are a sc player

second of all thousands of people can kill Shaper, you're just not good enough

those vortex are just absurd and can brick the entire fight, make a mistake and trigger one or two in the middle and probably the fight is over. While you are busy dealing with one another one pops up... so no dps on shaper... and there is no way to reset the floor...

all the other mechanics are fine, slam no problem, portal/adds no problem, yellow balls/ray no problem.

so strategy wise what i see from videos is DPS + flashs and bring him down before they spawn.