Path of Exile 1 Gameplay Help and Discussion - Art of the Gladiator vs. Unstoppable - Forum

So the Juggernauts 'Unstoppable' means that "Movement Speed cannot be modified to below base value" The Duelist notable 'Art of the Gladiator' says 'Ignore All Movement Speed Penalties from Amour' Do these effects stack? I.e. does Unstoppable already remove the movement speed penalty, or do you need AotG to do this? Last bumped on Sep 14, 2016, 1:01:41 PM	Posted by Grone#7433 on Sep 14, 2016, 9:46:26 AM Quote this Post
Unstoppable only removes the movespeed penalty if you have no other Increased Movement Speed modifiers.	Posted by Vipermagi#0984 on Sep 14, 2016, 10:23:31 AM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" Vipermagi wrote: Unstoppable only removes the movespeed penalty if you have no other Increased Movement Speed modifiers. This means if I have 10% movement speed boots, if I enter a -50% movement speed tar I'll go down from 120% to 80%? That doesn't follow the wording.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Sep 14, 2016, 11:21:24 AM Quote this Post
....What. You're not making any sense. Fucking hell Nath. Grunker is asking about movespeed penalties innate to various Armour pieces. Unstoppable sets your minimum Movement Speed modifier to 0% - it does not prevent penalties from applying. As such, if you have Increased Movement Speed, you will still suffer the Armour penalties. If you're already at a 0% movespeed modifier, then Unstoppable effectively negates Armour penalties, because you're already at the low-end cap. Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Sep 14, 2016, 11:46:37 AM	Posted by Vipermagi#0984 on Sep 14, 2016, 11:45:42 AM Valued Poster Quote this Post
Just to add to it, unstoppable is useful for cases where enemies slow you down, for example the poison dart sentries on lab will not slow you down below base movement speed.	Posted by Tereng#1784 on Sep 14, 2016, 12:02:13 PM Quote this Post
" Vipermagi wrote: ....What. You're not making any sense. Fucking hell Nath. Grunker is asking about movespeed penalties innate to various Armour pieces. Unstoppable sets your minimum Movement Speed modifier to 0% - it does not prevent penalties from applying. As such, if you have Increased Movement Speed, you will still suffer the Armour penalties. If you're already at a 0% movespeed modifier, then Unstoppable effectively negates Armour penalties, because you're already at the low-end cap. I made perfect sense. Read what you put: " Vipermagi wrote: Unstoppable only removes the movespeed penalty if you have no other Increased Movement Speed modifiers. So if I have no modifiers to movement speed, then a penalty will not apply. That means if I have some kind of increase the penalty would then apply. So if I have +10% from something besides the ascendancy, a -50% (or whatever) would then apply. The wiki is a better source than you: " Unstoppable's two special modifiers (excluding the movement speed modifier) are mutually distinct and have completely separate effects. The first modifier prevents the player from being slowed below base speed. The speed of the player is the rate at which the player performs animations, and is modified by slowing and accelerating effects such as Chill, Freeze, Temporal Chains inventory icon.pngTemporal Chains, and Acceleration Shrines.[1] Player speed is not related to or affected by modifiers to attack speed, cast speed, or movement speed. Therefore, so long as the player is not under the effect of an Acceleration Shrine, players with this Ascendancy passive skill allocated will be completely unaffected by Chill, Freeze, or Temporal Chains. The second special modifier prevents the player's movement speed from being modified below base value. The player's base movement speed is the speed at which the player walks without any movement speed modifiers. Therefore, if the player's movement speed would be reduced below this value, such as when standing on Tarred ground and even immobilizing effects such as Vaal Rain of Arrows inventory icon.pngVaal Rain of Arrows, it will instead be its base value. In short, if you were to be slowed below 0% movement speed, you instead will move at 0% movement speed. What you put would lead someone to believe you could be reduced to below 0% movement speed, because the penalty would apply.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Sep 14, 2016, 12:39:06 PM Quote this Post
The -50% would apply yes - and Unstoppable then puts you at 0%. :/ I just assume a basic level of reading comprehension. Sorry.	Posted by Vipermagi#0984 on Sep 14, 2016, 12:47:46 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" Vipermagi wrote: The -50% would apply yes - and Unstoppable then puts you at 0%. :/ I just assume a basic level of reading comprehension. Sorry. You should also assume someone can take it the wrong way. The entire point of my nitpicking how you phrased it. Plenty of people are going to assume if you have a -50% penalty, it will apply at -50%. 0+10-50=?	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Sep 14, 2016, 12:52:59 PM Quote this Post
Thanks for your replies regardless. Unstoppable + Art on my Jugg it is, then.	Posted by Grone#7433 on Sep 14, 2016, 12:54:32 PM Quote this Post
" Natharias wrote: You should also assume someone can take it the wrong way. The entire point of my nitpicking how you phrased it. Plenty of people are going to assume if you have a -50% penalty, it will apply at -50%. 0+10-50=? Context is good though. There's no armour penalty greater than... 6%?	Posted by Vipermagi#0984 on Sep 14, 2016, 1:01:41 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post