Deadly delay between actual damage dealt and animation during really long bossfights.

Playing on a three year old laptop on lowest settings.

Had this issue already 1-2 years ago, especially during first form Dominus fights, where you are oneshot out of nowhere and *then* you hear "Touch of God" and he raises his hand in the air... It became kinda irrelevant because of power creep (first form Palace Domi takes 10 seconds and not 3 minutes nowadays...) but the same thing ruined my Shaper run today: Bullet hell starts, *then* Zana says "come to me" and then she created the shield. Not sure if this is just graphical lag or mechanical too, but either way it ruins the bossfight experience for me.

Pretty sure the problem is on my end, but I'm curious if you guys are aware of this issue and if something can be done to fix it ('checkpoints' where stuff is forcibly synced or whatever).

Thanks in advance :)
My Build Compendium: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1634158
Last bumped on Sep 25, 2016, 12:03:12 PM
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Legasi wrote:
oneshot out of nowhere and *then* you hear "Touch of God" and he raises his hand in the air
(...)
Bullet hell starts, *then* Zana says "come to me" and then she created the shield. Not sure if this is just graphical lag or mechanical too


Overall system processing lag. If you have that with the Dominus fight years ago, and now with the Shaper fight, either your system is rendering things late or your Internet connection is dropping packets.

For starters...

What sort of laptop (make and model)? Also, providing a link to a pasebin.com copy of your DXDiag report would help.
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Yo, here is that dxdiag stuff, in german tho. Seems to include model name.
My Build Compendium: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1634158
Last edited by Legasi on Sep 12, 2016, 5:14:46 PM
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Legasi wrote:
Yo, here is that dxdiag stuff, in german tho. Seems to include model name.

It looks like you have this laptop, is that correct?

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Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 10586) (10586.th2_release.160802-1857)
BIOS: V2.21
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3110M CPU @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
(Graphics) Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
(Graphics) Chip type: Intel(R) HD Graphics Family
(Graphics) Current Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
(Graphics) Driver Version: 10.18.10.4358
(HDD) Model: TOSHIBA MQ01ABD075
(Graphics) Name: NVIDIA GeForce 710M
(Graphics) Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1140&SUBSYS_06911025&REV_A1\4&315EFEBD&0&0008
(Graphics) Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvd3dumx.dll, 10.18.0013.5354 (English), 7/13/2015
(Graphics) Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwgf2umx.dll, 10.18.0013.5354 (English), 7/13/2015
(Graphics) Driver: C:\WINDOWS\SysWow64\nvwgf2um.dll, 10.18.0013.5354 (English), 7/13/2015

As with many laptops I've seen have performance issues, yours has an NVIDIA GPU but is using the Intel GPU as the primary display adapter. Laptop drivers should switch to the NVIDIA GPU when playing games and use the built-in graphics (ie: Intel graphics) when running regular applications. Still, this doesn't always work correctly or the configuration is wrong for the NVIDIA software and the built-in graphics is still primary.

Things to do...

1.) Your system is running a Core i3 with at best an NVIDIA 710M (lowest model for mobile 700 series GPUs). So it's never going to run PoE well, but it still should at least run PoE, even if a little laggy at times. You do have 8GB of RAM, which is good. Just keep this in mind: you can eliminate the biggest issues, but you'll still suffer some with performance.

2.) Your laptop was never intended to run Windows 10. You probably just let the Windows 10 free update go through on your system without researching first. This is partly your fault, but most of the blame is on Microsoft for trying to force its Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users over to Windows 10, and doing so in a way that only IT or technically inclined people know how to stop. Hardware that was working in Windows 7/8/8.1 just fine may not work in Windows 10 perfectly unless it has driver updates. Acer only provides drivers for up to Windows 8.1 on this model. That means every driver you need will have to come from the specific hardware manufacturer's website, not Acer. If possible, I'd really recommend you downgrade back to Windows 7 or 8.1, whatever came with the laptop, but that might be too late if you're past that window of the revert option in Windows 10 update.

3.) Update your NVIDIA driver. It's from 2015. I looked at your laptop manufacturer's website first, but Acer is HORRID in updating drivers. Their last date for any driver is 2014, and the video driers there are 2013. And they don't even have drivers for Windows 10, as mentioned in my previous point. Therefore, download and install the latest from from NVIDIA directly.

4.) Your chipset drivers are installed, so that's good. But because this system has Windows 10 on it now, you'll probably want to download and install the latest Intel chipset drivers for your chipset model on Windows 10, 64-bit.

5.) You need to make sure the NVIDIA GPU is primary for rendering when playing games, or more specifically, when playing PoE. From your NVIDIA Control Panel (right click on the dekstop to open this), run through all of the tabs on the left and wherever it gives you the option to choose default rendering devices, enable the NVIDIA one as primary or only rendering device, and disable the Intel where possible. Then under the 3D settings, look through your drop down box for PathOfExile.exe and make sure it's set to render only on the NVIDIA GPU. Also make sure its performance setting mode is for single display.

6.) You have a ton of errors reported by your system, which DXDiag captured. You'll want to research these and attempt to resolve them. It's in German, and I don't feel like trying to translate them with Google translate, but from a quick glance, many are related to "updater.exe"...

Spoiler
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P7: b79
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P9: System.Xml.XmlException
P10:

Angefügte Dateien:
C:\Users\Jacob\AppData\Local\Temp\WERF16E.tmp.WERInternalMetadata.xml

Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Angefügte Dateien:
C:\Users\Jacob\AppData\Local\Temp\WERBC3.tmp.WERInternalMetadata.xml

Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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P3: 513fcd49
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Angefügte Dateien:
C:\Users\Jacob\AppData\Local\Temp\WER3D2F.tmp.WERInternalMetadata.xml

Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Angefügte Dateien:
C:\Users\Jacob\AppData\Local\Temp\WER372F.tmp.WERInternalMetadata.xml

Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive\AppCrash_updater.exe_ab9dd8b82c8fd98426cad6df9144077426ef3d_9a681125_49e93ba4

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Angefügte Dateien:
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Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Angefügte Dateien:
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Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Angefügte Dateien:
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Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Angefügte Dateien:
C:\Users\Jacob\AppData\Local\Temp\WERF40F.tmp.WERInternalMetadata.xml

Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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Angefügte Dateien:
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Diese Dateien befinden sich möglicherweise hier:
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First of, thank you so much for your time, expertise and the links, cipher_nemo! I really appreciate that. Are you a GGG employee or doing this in your free time?


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cipher_nemo wrote:
It looks like you have this laptop, is that correct?


Correct, more specifically E1-571G


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As with many laptops I've seen have performance issues, yours has an NVIDIA GPU but is using the Intel GPU as the primary display adapter. Laptop drivers should switch to the NVIDIA GPU when playing games and use the built-in graphics (ie: Intel graphics) when running regular applications. Still, this doesn't always work correctly or the configuration is wrong for the NVIDIA software and the built-in graphics is still primary.


Yeah there seems to be a problem, but I found a fix for that on reddit. I'm 99% sure the GPU is used for POE now (at least the INVIDIA Inspector graphs indicate that)


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1.) Your system is running a Core i3 with at best an NVIDIA 710M (lowest model for mobile 700 series GPUs). So it's never going to run PoE well, but it still should at least run PoE, even if a little laggy at times. You do have 8GB of RAM, which is good. Just keep this in mind: you can eliminate the biggest issues, but you'll still suffer some with performance.


When I started playing this game 3 years ago I could play Summoner on max settings and now... Let's not talk about that.


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2.) Your laptop was never intended to run Windows 10. You probably just let the Windows 10 free update go through on your system without researching first. This is partly your fault, but most of the blame is on Microsoft for trying to force its Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users over to Windows 10, and doing so in a way that only IT or technically inclined people know how to stop. Hardware that was working in Windows 7/8/8.1 just fine may not work in Windows 10 perfectly unless it has driver updates. Acer only provides drivers for up to Windows 8.1 on this model. That means every driver you need will have to come from the specific hardware manufacturer's website, not Acer. If possible, I'd really recommend you downgrade back to Windows 7 or 8.1, whatever came with the laptop, but that might be too late if you're past that window of the revert option in Windows 10 update.


Hard news here, sadly I can't downgrade to 8.1 anymore. The complicated way of going back includes a hard drive wipe, or am I confusing something here? Also noob question: Why is the OS incompatible with the laptor? Does Win 10 need more hardware resources?


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3.) Update your NVIDIA driver. It's from 2015. I looked at your laptop manufacturer's website first, but Acer is HORRID in updating drivers. Their last date for any driver is 2014, and the video driers there are 2013. And they don't even have drivers for Windows 10, as mentioned in my previous point. Therefore, download and install the latest from from NVIDIA directly.


Thanks and done.


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4.) Your chipset drivers are installed, so that's good. But because this system has Windows 10 on it now, you'll probably want to download and install the latest Intel chipset drivers for your chipset model on Windows 10, 64-bit.


Thanks and done.


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5.) You need to make sure the NVIDIA GPU is primary for rendering when playing games, or more specifically, when playing PoE. From your NVIDIA Control Panel (right click on the dekstop to open this), run through all of the tabs on the left and wherever it gives you the option to choose default rendering devices, enable the NVIDIA one as primary or only rendering device, and disable the Intel where possible. Then under the 3D settings, look through your drop down box for PathOfExile.exe and make sure it's set to render only on the NVIDIA GPU. Also make sure its performance setting mode is for single display.


Already did that before, but did it again anyways.


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6.) You have a ton of errors reported by your system, which DXDiag captured. You'll want to research these and attempt to resolve them. It's in German, and I don't feel like trying to translate them with Google translate, but from a quick glance, many are related to "updater.exe"...


This is kinda out of my tech league. I googled "Problemsignatur: P1: updater.exe" and I'm getting all kinds of results, none of which seem to apply to me and I don't even know what exactly I'm looking for.


Anyways, the performance seems to have improved a bit, however I'm pretty sure the reason is the latest patch.


On a semi unrelated sidenote, I also have a desktop PC that can run poe on good fps rates, but it constantly crashes after a while on loadscreens when switching instance. The reason is having only 3GB of RAM due to a 32 bit OS and maybe even a memory leak. -gc2 and whatnot doesn't really help. Do you mayble have any protips or ideas on that? :)

Cheers, Legasi

My Build Compendium: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1634158
Last edited by Legasi on Sep 23, 2016, 8:51:55 AM
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Legasi wrote:
First of, thank you so much for your time, expertise and the links, cipher_nemo! I really appreciate that. Are you a GGG employee or doing this in your free time?

No problem. And it's on my free time, not a GGG employee.

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Legasi wrote:
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cipher_nemo wrote:
2.) Your laptop was never intended to run Windows 10. You probably just let the Windows 10 free update go through on your system without researching first. This is partly your fault, but most of the blame is on Microsoft for trying to force its Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users over to Windows 10, and doing so in a way that only IT or technically inclined people know how to stop. Hardware that was working in Windows 7/8/8.1 just fine may not work in Windows 10 perfectly unless it has driver updates. Acer only provides drivers for up to Windows 8.1 on this model. That means every driver you need will have to come from the specific hardware manufacturer's website, not Acer. If possible, I'd really recommend you downgrade back to Windows 7 or 8.1, whatever came with the laptop, but that might be too late if you're past that window of the revert option in Windows 10 update.

Hard news here, sadly I can't downgrade to 8.1 anymore. The complicated way of going back includes a hard drive wipe, or am I confusing something here? Also noob question: Why is the OS incompatible with the laptor? Does Win 10 need more hardware resources?

I have a feeling those update errors are due to you opting for the free Windows 10 upgrade and having some OS issues due to that. If it was my laptop I'd either 1.) go back to 8.1 with a clean install from your OEM media (if you don't have it, contact your laptop manufacturer to get it), or 2.) do a clean install of Windows 10 from its own media. I've seen countless issues with Windows 10 free upgrade. It's an unfortunate fact of life for Microsoft so aggressively pushing Windows 10 on everyone. Many IT people already know how to prevent Windows Update from doing this on systems, and for those in the workplace we set up our domain policies along with WSUS to prevent that Windows 10 upgrade nagware. When a manufacturer doesn't offer Windows 10 drivers for an older system, there's a reason why. Some hardware is fine and has Windows 10 specific drivers, others do not.

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Legasi wrote:
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cipher_nemo wrote:
6.) You have a ton of errors reported by your system, which DXDiag captured. You'll want to research these and attempt to resolve them. It's in German, and I don't feel like trying to translate them with Google translate, but from a quick glance, many are related to "updater.exe"...


This is kinda out of my tech league. I googled "Problemsignatur: P1: updater.exe" and I'm getting all kinds of results, none of which seem to apply to me and I don't even know what exactly I'm looking for.

Research the individual applications at fault, not the text of the fault. For example, research: fault bucket updater.exe

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Legasi wrote:
Anyways, the performance seems to have improved a bit, however I'm pretty sure the reason is the latest patch.

One thing you can try, which was changed in 2.4, is to disable the new multithreading from the Graphics options.
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