Lore question regarding Ascendency

Where is the lore at that explains the ascendency points tied to the lab?

All I can find is that "nineteen souls survived" the trap dungeon they are calling a labyrinth. It didn't say the dungeon empowered them or enhanced them. They entered in the dungeon with all their skills and powers for all I know, not magically got new skills for stepping through the exit door four different times. It's probably somewhere, I just can't find the magical powers being given to the nineteen as the result of the lab. Where is the lore at regarding actually receiving the ascendency points?

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For the next several decades, the Phrecius family passed down their rule to their kin through generations of inbreeding. The last of the Phrecian ruler was Izaro. Izaro was described as a madman, and with no heir to pass on his rule, he commissioned the construction of The Labyrinth, choosing the new Emperor the same way the ancient Asmerian did: the first person to complete the Labyrinth will become the next emperor of the Eternal Empire.

Chitus, a member of the Perandus family - one of the most powerful and influential merchant family in the Empire - saw this as an opportunity as a chance to have a Perandus seize the throne - a better outcome for the Empire compared to Izaro's continued rule or a lowly commoner that could pass the Labyrinth, so he believed. Chitus succeeded in passing the Labyrinth, and on the First Kaso of Verusi, 1319 IC, Izaro gave up his throne to Chitus. Chitus's first decree as Emperor was to imprison Izaro in his own Labyinth for the rest of his life.

The Labyrinth was designed so that whomever were to complete it first would be crowned as the new Emperor, "Ascending" if you will. Chitus Perandus was the first to complete the Labyrinth, and as such ascended to the position of Emperor. Thus, the result of the Labyrinth is ascendancy, much like Chitus Perandus did when he completed the Labyrinth, the player also ascends in power after completing it.

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Where is the lore at that explains the ascendency points tied to the lab?

The concept of Ascending in power after completing the Labyrinth is explained. Just as Chitus rose to the position of Emperor, it can be assumed Izaro does something similar for the player. It is not directly mentioned (at least I couldn't find where) that anybody else completed the Labyrinth after Chitus did, so it is entirely possible that Izaro can grant ascendancy to anyone who completes it, even after someone had already risen to the role of Emperor as was the original reward.

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"nineteen souls survived" the trap dungeon they are calling a labyrinth.

From what I found it never explicitly said that they completed the Labyrinth. Surviving something and completing it are entirely different, it's possible that they survived and left without dwelling deep enough to reach the end.

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Where is the lore at regarding actually receiving the ascendency points?

The actual "ascendancy points" aren't needed to be justified, at least not as specifically as you want. It's the same with skill points received from quests. Tell me, where in the lore does it say "After slaying a large crab-like monster in the Lower Submerged Passage, you receive an increase in power through means of a magical book given to you by a common merchant." Sure it mentions Tarkleigh giving you the skill book, but that's it. No mention of where the magical books power comes from, and no reason for it to be justified. It's quite similar, and is just one of those things that doesn't need to be explained into the nitty-gritty details. Not to mention, it'd just sound outright retarded if they explained it as "After completing the Labyrinth, Izaro grants the player 2 magical points that increase their power significantly."

Not everything needs an explanation or justification as to it's exact origin or methods, especially in a video-game world of fantasy.

Sources: Izaro, List of historical figures, History of Wraeclast

Thank you for that Shazamarang.

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Shazamarang wrote:

The Labyrinth was designed so that whomever were to complete it first would be crowned as the new Emperor, "Ascending" if you will. Chitus Perandus was the first to complete the Labyrinth, and as such ascended to the position of Emperor. Thus, the result of the Labyrinth is ascendancy, much like Chitus Perandus did when he completed the Labyrinth, the player also ascends in power after completing it.

So it seems that it is rather vague in it's wording of 'power'. A sports player can 'ascend' to manager and gain power over the other players, but not have any increased 'skill'. It seems that the only thing you ascend to is being the next Emperor. As such, the actual ascendency points don't seem tied to the result of paying someone 2 chaos to run the lab for you. Or am I missing something?

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Siochan wrote:

Thank you for that Shazamarang.


So it seems that it is rather vague in it's wording of 'power'. A sports player can 'ascend' to manager and gain power over the other players, but not have any increased 'skill'. It seems that the only thing you ascend to is being the next Emperor. As such, the actual ascendency points don't seem tied to the result of paying someone 2 chaos to run the lab for you. Or am I missing something?

Well Shazamarang basically explained everything that needed to be explained. So I just wanted to add: when a player pays another one for a labyrinth run, it is actually reflected in the lore. Chitus didnt solve the trials alone, he had a guide (and he paid him of course).

Nice to see that people are getting a bit more creative in their lab cry threads these days, good work.

It's a shame lab lovers can't get as creative in their responses.

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Siochan wrote:

Thank you for that Shazamarang.


So it seems that it is rather vague in it's wording of 'power'. A sports player can 'ascend' to manager and gain power over the other players, but not have any increased 'skill'. It seems that the only thing you ascend to is being the next Emperor. As such, the actual ascendency points don't seem tied to the result of paying someone 2 chaos to run the lab for you. Or am I missing something?

Well Shazamarang basically explained everything that needed to be explained. So I just wanted to add: when a player pays another one for a labyrinth run, it is actually reflected in the lore. Chitus didnt solve the trials alone, he had a guide (and he paid him of course).

I have just heard ascendency points can't be removed from behind the lab because of lore, but it seems that is not a true statement, just an indirect inference at best.

Also, are you're saying Izaro would be cool with Chitus paying a guide to run the entire lab for him, getting all the gold keys and even defeating Izaro only to have Izaro find Chitus the worth one for paying the 2 chaos?

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Siochan wrote:

Also, are you're saying Izaro would be cool with Chitus paying a guide to run the entire lab for him, getting all the gold keys and even defeating Izaro only to have Izaro find Chitus the worth one for paying the 2 chaos?

Back in the day Izaro must've still been a living human so he could not prevent such trickery. In the present day when exiles run Labyrinth he comments on our actions as if he could oversee the entire structure from a hidden place. This is probably thanks to the power granted to him by the Goddess since after all we fight an enourmous empowered skeleton who can speak. As to how it is allowed to be carried now despite Izaro's "omnipotence" in Lab, I'd say GGG simply can't forbid that due to the coding of the game itself.

I personally don't care about the scrambled lore of this game, so I just make up my own. And in my canon, Izaro is the Mick to my Rocky, preparing me for my match against Malachi.

It makes about as much sense as anything else in this game.

Izaro was only put into the labyrinth after he resigned as emperor.

'Ascending' is just becoming emperor. I don't know why it gives you skill points though, but then I don't know why anything else gives you skill points either. What is the lore reason for getting skill points from quests in general? Seems like that would also apply here.