Does it make sense going more than 6 endurance charge on discharge build?

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TriniGamer wrote:
I SEE

WOW I didn't know that but you are right I always see Yellow discharge

so why the hell did zSavage say to take 5 power charge in his life base mjolner build?


Let me answer that for you, since zSavage is, after all, me. I've taken the new Juggernaut ascendancy node with the changes from 2.3. And I still consistently get 4 or 5 power charges per discharge. Also, since my build focuses on critting with your triggered spells, this still helps the damage outputs, of both discharge and the other spell that triggers, Arc.

You may not realize it but the Arc generates a lot of power charges for us, which then contribute to the flask recharge (through crits) and the discharge damage.

Just make sure your Discharge is socketed before your Arc in your Mjolner, like this:


-Savage

Theorycrafter/Build Creator for PORTAL guild
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Lvl 94 Crit Mjolner Marauder
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So, to summarize, and confirm my understanding of the build(s) I believe the truth of the matter is:

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Suzumiyaharuhi wrote:

Don't get power charges then, go full on into endurance charges.


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HikaruYami wrote:

Yeah, that's true; if you're using voll's devotion for this kind of thing, there's no real point in even having more than 3 max power charges; often you'll be casting discharge with only 1 power charge (but always max endurance charges).


are two quotes that both presume either that power charges are useless, or more likely, that Resolute Technique is taken (since it seems pretty intuitive that this would go along with an Endurance-focused Discharge build).

However, zSavage build actually benefits from the Power Charges' contribution to Critical Strike Chance.

Another implication: TriniGamer is not following zSavage's build correctly, or has not completed that build, as TG only ever observes 2 power charges at any given time, while zSavage consistently observes 4 to 5.

I'll admit, I was thrown off as well, since Mark_GGG's explanation in the Mechanics Questions thread stickied at the top of this forum used RT and 3 Discharge gems as an example. If one uses 3 Discharge gems, then there would be little point to getting power charges and at the same time little point to getting RT.

Apparently the crit's worth it though!
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TriniGamer wrote:

PS: is Legacy Mjolner worth it for 50% proc?


If you are in Standard, and can afford Legacy Mjölner, then yes, 50% is a LOT better than 30%.

Is it worth it? Maybe, I bought one, because why not, and I don't regret it :)
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adghar wrote:
So, to summarize, and confirm my understanding of the build(s) I believe the truth of the matter is:

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Suzumiyaharuhi wrote:

Don't get power charges then, go full on into endurance charges.


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HikaruYami wrote:

Yeah, that's true; if you're using voll's devotion for this kind of thing, there's no real point in even having more than 3 max power charges; often you'll be casting discharge with only 1 power charge (but always max endurance charges).


are two quotes that both presume either that power charges are useless, or more likely, that Resolute Technique is taken (since it seems pretty intuitive that this would go along with an Endurance-focused Discharge build).

However, zSavage build actually benefits from the Power Charges' contribution to Critical Strike Chance.

Another implication: TriniGamer is not following zSavage's build correctly, or has not completed that build, as TG only ever observes 2 power charges at any given time, while zSavage consistently observes 4 to 5.

I'll admit, I was thrown off as well, since Mark_GGG's explanation in the Mechanics Questions thread stickied at the top of this forum used RT and 3 Discharge gems as an example. If one uses 3 Discharge gems, then there would be little point to getting power charges and at the same time little point to getting RT.

Apparently the crit's worth it though!


Yes, you're correct about my assumptions (and zSavage already said most of what you just said). OP never mentioned wanting crit or using Arc, and if you don't want to invest in crit then resolute technique is a very solid choice for mjolner builds (unlike CoC builds, obviously), because with the mjolner stat requirements you have no space for dex and so you need alternative sources of accuracy.

I would expect that zsavage's build is only optimal with particularly high-end gear. Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't looked at it in detail. But that's often the case for crit-focused builds.
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