I feel like we're being a little too harsh to GGG
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The most active threads for quite a while now have been complaints about performance, prophecy being boring, and lab being a pain to half the player base. These threads have begun to get increasingly more hostile towards GGG, but I don't think anybody means to insult them. We're just salty because we don't like a few things. We know they're working hard for the performance issues and the new league+expansion.
So I'm making this thread in hopes that some busy person from GGG sees this and knows not to despair or get upset with all the criticism that's flying around in the forums & reddit. Last bumped on Jun 25, 2016, 8:04:17 PM
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what you wrote but i also accuse ggg of overconfidence: the asynchronous loading could have been introduced as a command line option for people with fast computers to try it out first instead of making it the default on every client start.
they should have known there are masses of players out there with harddisks running since the last millenium. age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill! Last edited by vio#1992 on Jun 20, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
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Yes, we are, but it's kinda hard to fine tune the dissatisfaction, and it's probably better in the long run to be overly hard than overly lenient.
Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
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Well I for one am enjoying the new League and (believe it or not) the labyrinth.
Personally I hated the lab on release, but it grew on me and now I see it as a different type of challenge (with a different type of oh-so-sexy reward). I'm still not 100% on having ascendancies tied to the lab. But at the same time I kinda like it because it forces people out of their comfort zone and presents a different type of challenge to people. Keep in mind people that ascendancies are optional, you do not have to grab them at all. |
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Anything positive about GGG and people start calling you a white knight. They even post things like "cue white knight response" to diminish positive opinions before they even get posted. It's easier for people who like the game to keep quiet about it.
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Our posts have gotten progressively more negative since the start of Prophecy due to the fact that most of us (me too) can run all other always online entertainment software and not ever experience the severity of latency lag/stuttering that we have playing PoE. I had never needed to run PoE with the mini-graphs turned on at all until now to verify that latency spikes are too frequent to continue to play (time to quit before another lag death). SIGH!!! :(
If GGG was able to fix this and frequency of latency spikes goes back down to pre-Prophecy league levels again then there would be no need for QoP frustration posts. "You've got to grind, grind, grind at that grindstone..." Necessity may be the mother of invention, but poor QoP in PoE is the father of frustration. The perfect solution to fix Trade Chat: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2247070 Last edited by Arrowneous#3097 on Jun 20, 2016, 11:47:37 AM
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The threads are hostile because GGG is making mistakes which could have been forgivable to an indie producer with a newfound success a few years ago but are looking less and less excusable as time goes by.
- yet another league plagued by technical difficulties: GGG used a closed beta pre-awakening but made the players actually pay to betatest their content and didn't listen to a word said in the closed beta feedback forum, which understandable lead to a massive backlash. They overreacted in a typical fashion and, instead of making a free open beta a few weeks before the leagues after that and actually listening to player feedback, stopped doing betas whatsoever. - the majority of players hates the lab and Chris calls them a 'vocal minority' and introduces even more lab, and a much more fucked-up one, in the next patch (where am I getting my data? EVERYWHERE. All my friends ingame I've talked to, yes, the stupid straw poll, the general atmosphere in the forum, my own conclusions - everything points that way) - the XP grind past 90 was ridiculous even before and almost no one had the patience for it - GGG rapes XP gain after 90, Havoc says he won't level to 100 in the new league (if I were in GGG's shoes, I would treat that as a major disaster btw) - players are more powerful than ever with the 8 ascendancy points... and they have no content to run, red maps don't drop, yellow maps give no fucking XP, uber atziri is gated behind layers and layers of farming and RNG, even the uber lab is gated for the few people who like running it - they add even more random spike damage in the game - I don't know what they did to normal monster damage but my map buddies and I regularly experience white mobs in t11-12 maps, without too rippy mods, hitting for 5-6 k. Perhaps they upped monster crit multi? Yesterday in a spings map a white viper literally oneshot me at 5700 hp. I returned to the map and just tried his damage, he was hitting for ~2500 with normal (ranged and unavoidable!) attacks, so perhaps the oneshot was a crit? Do I really have to explain for the 10th time why having such huge and random damage spikes from unpredictable sources is bad game design? ... and I could go on and on. So, yes, players have a lot to complain about and they are doing it. You can tell when the league is successful - the forum is much more peaceful. There are and there will always be negative threads but the + to - ratio is much different. You have to be realistic about these things.
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" Pretty much this. The horrible RNG gated content is so bad. Most people just get bored because the LACK of challenge that is presented to them. Everything that is somewhat difficult and interesting is fucking gated and it's because "We don't want new players accessing high level content, getting destroyed, then quiting" That's exactly what Chris said and it makes absolutely no sense what so ever. People have been complaining about how bad the map drops are for a long time now and nothing been changed other than making it even fucking harder because some streamer who has no job, girlfriend, and or real life responsibilities can no life the game 24/7 and reach 100 in a week or two... I don't think we're harsh. We're fed up with less than mediocre patch after patch, everything breaking..terrible balance changes and so forth. Dynamic Environment - Day/Night, Rain/Lightning - http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/110100
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YES, GGG makes mistakes. YES, we have the right to talk about/point out their mistakes.
But what the fuck ever happened to constructive criticism? What happened to discussions? What we see on the forums today isn't feedback. It isn't productive criticism. It's whining! And name calling. And entitled idiots. I'm not saying we shall accept technical flaws. Or bad choices. But we do need to respect GGG's philosophy about their game. If they want to take their game in a different direction than YOU, it's not necessarily a stupid move. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Jun 20, 2016, 12:10:30 PM
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" So funny :D
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 I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.
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