2 Man Duo Sync'd builds

Hey, My name revolves around Crispy ingame and I have been playing poe for a long time now. I have had loads of fun trying out builds and creating my own builds to try out. I now am on a mission to tryout a build that is set around myself and another player from lvl 1 to 90+ . I could easily go a support build but that's not the type of challenge i would like to face myself with. The idea is for me and another person to come up with a build that would work with each other for maximum potential. Most builds either is built for solo and can work with a group.. or built knowing there will be a support. Lets take a different approach and come up with 2 builds that CANNNN work solo but have a majorrr change when paired with the duo.

Do i have a build in mind? No

Why? well the idea is to sit down and talk about the ideas together and come up with the builds after we agree with an idea. Nothing is solo here.

If you are interested and would like for me to explain more, feel free to message me here or ingame. I am always on and pretty much always available.

A good combo (in my experience) is to have one defensive character, and then another character who is semi-glass cannon - since they get a lot of survivability from their partner they can afford to spend more on dps.

For example, one player could have lots of high defense minions, and maybe SRS or spectres for damage too, while the other player goes Flameblast or LA or something, so they can focus on killing stuff in relative safety behind the minions. If you don't like minions, you could use totems, or curses, or chill/freeze/stun/etc, or just taunting with lots of defenses like block/dodge, armour etc - whatever suits the front-line player.

It's important that the defensive character can hold their own solo though, so they do need dps. It's tempting to just go for an MF culler, especially using minions. This works great in bigger parties. But in 2-person parties the dps character will get most of the kills even if you do cull, and also you will definitely sometimes get separated.
(For the same reasons, it's also important for the dps character to have a big life buffer and some other defenses too, you can't just go full glass cannon or you will definitely die; even with Vaal Pact.)

Imo the best duo consists of a high AoE trash ripper and a high singletarget dps build. Ideally at least one of them should be somewhat tanky on top.

Back in ambush I rolled a flameblast prolif build that oneshot everything but rares, bosses and some champs together with an SRS friend who killed bosses in seconds and cleaned up the trash that would somehow survive the burning.

I just watched a video about frost wall interacting with 100% pierce chance on Lightning Arrow. Tested it for myself and can confirm it works. I think (but I'm not totally sure) that when your LA projectiles 'hit' and pierce the frost wall, the 'hits 3 nearby enemies' property of LA activates. Then when the arrows hit mobs, it activates again - so hitting a mob through a frost wall is like a double hit.

So then you tack spell echo onto frost wall and you get another 'hit' for triple damage if you put the wall on the monster.

The application for what you want should be obvious :P One guy plays a cold mage who can create chilling ground, frost walls, maybe use Whispering Ice for huge coverage of slows, and casts frost wall, the other plays full dps crit Lightning Arrow.

CI triple blasphemy temp chains - enfeeble - vulnerability bladefall poison mines + a good AOE speedclear guy.

The miner destroys bosses, the curses are amazing, he just needs someone to clear the trash faster. Basically what Sa_Re said.

I agree, i feel if a duo was to run together with sync'd builds, it would consist of aoe trash destroyer and a single target boss destroyer, pretty much one specializing in the other. (this is without focusings on glass cannon + support duo) I also had in mind a tri-charge generating infernal blow (using facebreakers ofc) that will Easillyy aoe clear mobs, and a Discharger or something to that effect that can also clear mobs (not as effectively) but primarily focuses on Big or Boss mobs. Neither of the 2 are supports and can clear however, one focuses on aoe clear and the other is a raid boss destroyer. I was thinking the tri-charge infernal blow char could easily generate all of the charges (since ascendancy has been released) and the 2nd char could double or tri-curse (to help gain charges or to help nerf mobs) and with the curses he could easily nuke the boss.

I feel there are a lot of combo's out there and since the updates, we the people of poe haven't broken the meta yet and exposed the possibilities. Anyone up to try out a duo squad and see what we can come up with?

(The block Infernal Blow facebreaker build - i crafted right after posting this.. it actually utilizes Veil of the Night - (something not to many people can make a build around) and it also uses the 100% applied spell block chance from the duelist gladiator .. it will also use Temu shield) It WILL clear mobs without a problem. and it is different from meta.

Anyone up for it?

I don't think you should overanalyse it. Any two decent builds mapping together will have a much easier time than solo builds. Just synchronizing the auras to not overlap will be more than enough.

Monster health scales by 50% for each new player in the party, meaning you'll have a DPS advantage without even counting aura stacking and other beneficial build interactions.

The only thing to take into consideration will be speed. It won't do to have a slow build and a fast build as the fast guy will feel handicapped while the slow one will feel like a burden.

To clarify the point of this :) it's not to make clearing better or to make 2 op working build and just run them together.. it's trying something new. Would like to come up with 2 builds that work around each other instead of 2 builds that are made and hopefully do not overlap each other as they are put together to run.
I find it really easy to make a tri-curse character, level it solo, invite someone that can do damage and just clear maps all day and night (invite any random person that does damage) and that's if i want to invite anyone, the build is good on it's own and doesn't need a party.

But

That's not the point of this :)
The point of this is to get the creative juices flowing and sit down with someone and decide on an idea and make it work within two builds. If it works then it should run beautifully together and kind of stagnant when separated (can still work when solo - but not how it truly should)

We all know of a way that already works and is easy to put together and comprehend - now lets try to think outside of the box and come up with new ideas

GGG gives us insane amount of options - why settle with just a couple?

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I just watched a video about frost wall interacting with 100% pierce chance on Lightning Arrow. Tested it for myself and can confirm it works. I think (but I'm not totally sure) that when your LA projectiles 'hit' and pierce the frost wall, the 'hits 3 nearby enemies' property of LA activates. Then when the arrows hit mobs, it activates again - so hitting a mob through a frost wall is like a double hit.

So then you tack spell echo onto frost wall and you get another 'hit' for triple damage if you put the wall on the monster.

The application for what you want should be obvious :P One guy plays a cold mage who can create chilling ground, frost walls, maybe use Whispering Ice for huge coverage of slows, and casts frost wall, the other plays full dps crit Lightning Arrow.

I like this combo idea, (note it also works with kinetic blast, if you don't like LA) but frostwall is a bad damaging skill. It seems like it would have good dps, but in practice it is unreliable at actually hitting enemies. So the Frost wall player would almost entirely be just utility.

I still await the day, when i can find and play with a 6 man party of conduit self-cast dischargers, now that would be some fun stuff in my book. Boom boom boom, 24/7 max charges without orb of storms/blade vortex, yeaaaaaa sharing is caring baby.

anyways, self-cast discharge, it's like having a pikachu powered battery; add a pikachu in series and you get the double the voltage..but what's even better is that pikachu #2 will recharge pikachu #1, so you end up with a bunch of energizer bunny/pikachus; and as we all know, energizers are the best batteries in the world, for no batteries last longer than energizer, they just keep going and going and going....hence by that logic conduit discharge would make the best sync team/build.