[2.2, PHC, Deadeye] Asta's "Chain Frostblader", Block/Armor based, 40-50k+ DPS [Vids][~5 Ex Budget]

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Astarte911 wrote:

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here2peer wrote:

For starters, you have to treat frostblades as molten strike therefore the melee phys doesnt scale the proj damage, secondly the melee splash only applies on the initial hit those are 2 waisted support gems basicly, the dps tooltip is only the initial hit

About Melee Splash:

I didn't said anything else. I clearly said it creates an additional radius at the hitted target and thus, those targets getting hit by the AoE of MSplash and the releasing projectiles and the chaining projectiles. This is a substantial AoE.

About Melee Phys:

This is true and i also didnt said that the projectiles getting scaled with it. But consider, that neither "Far Shot" or "%inc Projectile Damage" is included in the tooltip.

You saying Melee Phys is wasted. Im saying its godly to use for single target, since we have already a splash radius + chaining projectiles, no one ever would increase the projectiles damage further.

I mean no offense, just stating my opinion on the choices, that said:

I would use a secondary skill to do my single target damage, considering frostblades to be realy shitty single target dps.

And I realy think you should scale the proj damage further because the skill is just not good enough for single target, there are waaaaay beter options for that like glacial hamer

EDIT:
Have you tried making it work with crit? just curious since you pick up RT in this build.

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here2peer wrote:

I mean no offense, just stating my opinion on the choices, that said:

I would use a secondary skill to do my single target damage, considering frostblades to be realy shitty single target dps.

And I realy think you should scale the proj damage further because the skill is just not good enough for single target, there are waaaaay beter options for that like glacial hamer

EDIT:
Have you tried making it work with crit? just curious since you pick up RT in this build.

You comparing a 7L to a 4L. There is no point in doing a ST setup. Also, whats your measurement, that the single target is not good enough?

Why should i scale the projectile damage further, if (like you said) the ST is the problem? (Glacial Hammer doesn't work with Swords, btw.). None of the projectiles hitting the ST, just the initial hit. Doing a face2face ST setup will just shorten your lifetime and is so 2012.

Building a melee crit build is so SC (Don't take the bait :)). I dont have Vaal Pact, dont have over 3% instant leech and TBH, i really prefer to do all mapmods (including ele/phys reflect) then cleaning all maps 10% faster and wasting more currency, but thats just personal preference.. ;)

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Astarte911 wrote:

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here2peer wrote:

I mean no offense, just stating my opinion on the choices, that said:

I would use a secondary skill to do my single target damage, considering frostblades to be realy shitty single target dps.

And I realy think you should scale the proj damage further because the skill is just not good enough for single target, there are waaaaay beter options for that like glacial hamer

EDIT:
Have you tried making it work with crit? just curious since you pick up RT in this build.

You comparing a 7L to a 4L. There is no point in doing a ST setup. Also, whats your measurement, that the single target is not good enough?

Why should i scale the projectile damage further, if (like you said) the ST is the problem? (Glacial Hammer doesn't work with Swords, btw.). None of the projectiles hitting the ST, just the initial hit. Doing a face2face ST setup will just shorten your lifetime and is so 2012.

Building a melee crit build is so SC. I dont have Vaal Pact, dont have over 3% instant leech and TBH, i really prefer to do all mapmods (including ele/phys reflect) then cleaning all maps 10% faster and wasting more currency, but thats just personal preference.. ;)

Fair point on the crit route, I usualy do RT for the same reason especially the part where you want to do all the map mods and not ditch life regen completely.

Glacial hammer won't work, but frenzy will double strike also will, those are great single target skills.

Im not comparing a 7L to a 4l, lets start with melee phys, I just think its realy realy bad and a shitty link, blind is a shitty for sure, from my point of view its a 5L.

where did you get that f2f is 2012? srsly? foritfy man srsly.

Lastly, I realy think frost blades is an AOE only skill. and if you are scaling proj (because I wouldn't run melee splash and melee phys) the AOE potential will get better. I wouldnt invest into tree proj stuff though(Also, im looking at it in a molten strike pov since the base mechanics are basically the same)

EDIT:
Are you able to clear t10+/t12+ (doubtfull) maps or are you not high enough in lvl?

You're welcome to suggest:

AoE gem setup
ST gem setup

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where did you get that f2f is 2012? srsly? foritfy man srsly.

Just to mention a few:
Bearers, Volotile x-Blood, everything that is 2xbigger then you and a full bunch of bosses that you generally shouldn't f2f. Even expierenced player die with those f2f skills.

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Astarte911 wrote:

You're welcome to suggest:

AoE gem setup
ST gem setup

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where did you get that f2f is 2012? srsly? foritfy man srsly.

Just to mention a few:
Bearers, Volotile x-Blood, everything that is 2xbigger then you and a full bunch of bosses that you generally shouldn't f2f. Even expierenced player die with those f2f skills.

Volotile becomes dangerous at late maps, Bearers are super super easy to evade unless you are not paying attention, some bosses you dont true.

AoE gem setup: Frost blades + WeD + MS + added fire + PPAD (5L) + FA or Fortify

ST gem setup (frenzy or double strike): MS or FA (depends on what you like) + melee phys + Fortify

Also managed to squeeze some more hp out of your tree, by taking thick skin, enables you to get more life late game if you need it (bit less Armour more potential hp with more levels total of 22% extra, same 17 points spend)

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AoE gem setup: Frost blades + WeD + MS + added fire + PPAD (5L) + FA or Fortify

Potientially hitting only 17 Targets(8x2 + initial hit), if the targets are positioned correctly. (See the figure ive drawn with my gosu paint skills)
You dont have that problem with melee splash + unlimited amount of hits + chain. You buying here 50% more damage, but meleesplash + projectiles (30% less damage to targets from melee splash and melee phys is missing = 70*2 = 140%). So its basically only 7% more damage and much much less Aoe.

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ST gem setup (frenzy or double strike): MS or FA (depends on what you like) + melee phys + Fortify

I think we both agree, that this is far worse then my current. You loosing 1.33 scaler from FA or MS and the WED scaler of 1.4. Thats a total of a 1.86 more multiplier.

Double Strikes base damage is 170% (2hits with a base of 85%). Frostblades base damage is 122.8% and with my current setup 122.8%*1.86 = 228.4% Base. Thats substantial higher

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Also managed to squeeze some more hp out of your tree, by taking thick skin, enables you to get more life late game if you need it (bit less Armour more potential hp with more levels total of 22% extra, same 17 points spend)

Spoiler

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You buying it by investing 4 passives for an anverage of 4.5% life, without considering, that the upper rooute offers me a jewel slot for 2 points. (I also dont have the Scionwheel completet). With those 4 points, i can buy a jewel slot with 7% life + 2 scion nodes for a total of 17% life. So yea, you got 1% hp for the cost of 14%phys and 4% attacksspeed. You loose also 10 Int and 10 Str.


Edit: To clarifying it
The upper route costs me 5 passives. The lower route costs me 6 Passive points. Adding Thick Thin costs me thus 4 points. Thick skin gives 18% life for 4 passives = AVG of 4.5. Investing those 4 points in to 2 scion life wheel and 2 jewel slots will end in 17% (AVG = 4.25% life) life 12+ phys and 3+ attackspeed.

The jewel slot + scion wheel (ive also the combined eva/armor life nodes at duelist left), are plain better.

I've read throughout ur guide and ur comments. I didnt think about using FB and max out block chance at the same time. Based on my experience (I played a Dead Eye FB at the start of this PHC too, but used 2H katana, I dont remember its base), overally this is a well done guide. U pointed out the problem with mobs that are not in the FB angle is the proof that u digged deeply in this skill, which I couldnt find in other FB guides. People often just re-position which slow down clear speed, or like u, add Melee Splash. In my opinion, we should simply keep using Fortify instead of Melee Splash. With this setup, u will quickly kill the intial mob (44% damage higher),then Multistrike will auto-target the rest. The more single target damage output also resolve in some way the problem with single target like rare monsters or bosses. Not to count that u should always have Fortify buff.

Build is working great

my gear at 90:



got 69k dps at 5 frenzy charger with FB-Multistrike-WED-Fortify links on my BoR. 87k with Added fire instead of Fortify. 11k armor 6400hp, 56% block chance.