Difference between melee and range builds.

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goetzjam wrote:

Anyone that has read this thread would disagree with you likely 100% if it was simple it would have already been "done"

Even a game which has the ability to separate melee and ranged playstyles by classes, D3 has issues with balance regarding melee\range.

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Ceryneian wrote:

No. Go back and read what I said about buffing RELATIVE to range.

Fortify is not exclusive to melee - so obviously it doesnt count.

Go back and read sid's post and where I quoted him regarding cost profile.

You are obviously not understanding what most people in this thread are trying to say.

And yes it is not fking hard, melee was actually good 2 years ago. 1.2 was probably the best state the game was in balance-wise.

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goetzjam wrote:

Fortify grants damage reduction upon a melee hit\attack, its being used in ways where playstyles that take that risk can get the damage reduction, this was mentioned as "not a problem" because players are "putting themselves at risk" to gain that buff. We still don't see bow characters weapon swapping to use it or other various users doing it, its pretty much just dagger casters and the people that should be benefiting from it.


Melee was strong back when you could go max block and super tanky with 1 hander, but 2 handed melee wasn't better then then it was last patch.

Its also very difficult to compare what the game is now compared to then because the monsters, map mods and the design of the game is much different.


You make it seem like they have done nothing but purposely nerf melee over time, when they done the opposite, aside from max block, which had to be nerfed.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Fortify grants damage reduction upon a melee hit\attack, its being used in ways where playstyles that take that risk can get the damage reduction, this was mentioned as "not a problem" because players are "putting themselves at risk" to gain that buff. We still don't see bow characters weapon swapping to use it or other various users doing it, its pretty much just dagger casters and the people that should be benefiting from it.


Melee was strong back when you could go max block and super tanky with 1 hander, but 2 handed melee wasn't better then then it was last patch.

Its also very difficult to compare what the game is now compared to then because the monsters, map mods and the design of the game is much different.


You make it seem like they have done nothing but purposely nerf melee over time, when they done the opposite, aside from max block, which had to be nerfed.

The problem is, even with Fortify, melee character cant tank the damage game throws on you, while ranged character is safe even without it. And ranged character has much higher clear speed because his DPS is the same to melee but AoE is MUCH larger.

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goetzjam wrote:

That has been the case in every ARPG since forever.

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LSN wrote:

I think GGG doesn't intend to balance it.

I didn't really play this game for months/year but when I just logged in today and did a 13 map rotation my melee with all slot mirror or close to mirror gear was just the same way walking behind as it was a year ago. It simply is no fun when ranged chars clear stuff screen wide without taking any damage and you can't even run behind them without killing a single enemy.


The whole thing should be toned down. Movement speed is way too fast.


And the funny thing is I come to this forum to see the feedback of todays users and I see the same crappy arguments of the same ppl. like one year ago that defend this lousy gameplay. lol

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

The problem is, even with Fortify, melee character cant tank the damage game throws on you, while ranged character is safe even without it. And ranged character has much higher clear speed because his DPS is the same to melee but AoE is MUCH larger.