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" Antnee wrote: Really no need. If you've been keeping up in the news, you're probably familiar with the name Paul LePage- the asshole currently governing my state. He's in office because Mainers love them some independent/third party politicians, and in both 2010 and 2014, he won because people who voted against him were split between the independent and the Dem. It's a very real case of people 'voting their conscience' and getting fucked for it. Luckily for us, we have a ballot measure to fix this problem. So, when I see people 'voting their conscience' this time around, like many Mainers, I'm shaking my head. Scrotie Dude, downballot voting is just as important. If that measure passes, it will be interesting to see if it improves the system. IMO, it looks promising. I'd still love to see a "None of the Above" ballot choice, which if it won a majority of votes, would ban all current ballot candidates (for that position) from that position for a couple terms. Regardless of how it is implemented, I think our system is due for some sort of "No Confidence" measure from the voters to their leaders. "The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910	Posted by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 30, 2016, 1:48:43 PM Quote this Post
" Antnee wrote: THAT is the issue here. He's convincing a large swath of the electorate that their vote will not be counted, and the election itself is a farce. Please tell me you understand how goddamn reckless that is! Their votes will be counted. Many voting systems allow people to check whether their vote was tallied correctly. Judging the aggregate may be difficult, but it would be possible for a large organization/fund to do so. Where one source of potential fraud comes in, is additional ballots being added. There have been some examples of very close races where additional ballots have been "found" that were dramatically different from the voting percentages of the overall whole in that area. I'm not sure if the news posts are still there for me to dig up as examples (so many news sites seem to be culling their data after a year or two now), but the ones I am thinking of and remembering had races within a few hundred ballots, and several thousand ballots were "found" during a recount, and those ballots percentages were very heavily skewed from what the overall vote was. It was bad enough that there was talk of repercussions for those in charge, but rather than hold them accountable, they changed the voting system and promoted some of those responsible to the federal government. So, Trump's critique doesn't have any concrete basis in the current election cycle, but there have been some historical precedents that were extremely dubious. Have people already forgotten about Tricky Dick and Watergate - for instance? People cheat at games, they cheat on their spouses, they cheat on exams ... etc. To think that no one is going to try and cheat in elections is extremely naive. That the cheating effort will be significant enough to influence anything is an entirely different question. Unless the election is extremely close, I don't think that kind of cheating can be pulled off. However, consider this - imagine if Trump won every single state and got all the electoral ballots. Would MSNBC and CNN and NPR continue touting how election fraud isn't a problem? In light of relatively recent news, we do have cause to be wary (not alarmed, but watchful): http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-breaches-voting-illinois-arizona-trump-clinton-russia-kremlin-putin-494339 "The Federal Bureau of Investigation has found breaches in Illinois and Arizona's voter registration databases and is urging states to increase computer security ahead of the Nov. 8 presidential election, according to a U.S. official familiar with the probe. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said on Monday that investigators were also seeking evidence of whether other states may have been targeted. The FBI warning in an Aug. 18 flash alert from the agency's Cyber Division did not identify the intruders or the two states targeted. Reuters obtained a copy of the document after Yahoo News first reported the story Monday. Accessing information in a voter database, much of which is publicly accessible, does not necessarily suggest an effort to manipulate the votes themselves. When registering, voters typically provide their names, home addresses, driver's license or identification numbers, and party affiliations. But U.S. intelligence officials have become increasingly worried that hackers sponsored by Russia or other countries may attempt to disrupt the presidential election. David Kennedy, chief executive officer of information security consulting company TrustedSec, said the attacks referenced in the FBI alert appeared to be largely exploratory and not especially sophisticated. "It could be a precursor to a larger attack," he added. Citing a state election board official, Yahoo News said the Illinois voter registration system was shut down for 10 days in late July after hackers downloaded personal data on up to 200,000 voters. State voter systems are often targeted by hackers, and 200,000 is a relatively small number compared to other recent incidents. An independent computer security researcher uncovered in December of last year a database on 191 million voters that was exposed on the open Internet due to an incorrect configuration." TL/DR Donald Trump may already have 191 million votes in the bank? "The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 30, 2016, 2:12:47 PM	Posted by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 30, 2016, 2:11:40 PM Quote this Post
" ScrotieMcB wrote: Because the people are losing. They can continue to lose without a fight, or fight back. Glad you feel so strongly. I'd prefer to stop the corruption but feel free to start a revolution.	Posted by deathflower#0444 on Aug 30, 2016, 7:43:07 PM Quote this Post
Donald is your only hope..http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/25/trump-vs-hillary-a-summation-paul-craig-roberts/ " Trump vs. Hillary: A Summation — Paul Craig Roberts August 25, 2016 \| Categories: Articles & Columns \| Tags: \| Print This Article Print This Article Note: I just heard a NPR report that young people were deserting the Republican Party, had turned leftwing and were flocking to Hillary. So now in America the leftwing candidate is a warmonger and agent of Wall Street! Amazing. Trump vs. Hillary: A Summation Paul Craig Roberts The US presidential election this November will tell whether a majority of the US population is irredeemably stupid. If voters elect Hillary, we will know that Americans are stupid beyond redemption. We don’t know much about Trump, and anti-Trump propaganda rules in the place of facts. But we know many facts about Hillary. We know about her violation of classification laws and the refusal of the Democratic administration to do anything about it. The Democrats prefer to control the White House than to enforce the law, another nail in the coffin in which the rule of law in the US lies. We know from their words and deeds and material success that the Clintons are agents for Wall Street, the Big Banks, the military/security complex, Israel, agribusiness, and the extractive industries. Their large personal fortune, approximately $120 million, and the $1,600 million in their foundation, much of which came from abroad in exchange for political favors, attests to the unchallengable fact that the Clintons are agents for the oligarchy that rules America, indeed, that rules the American Empire from Australia and Japan, through North America and Western and Eastern Europe to the Russian border. We know that Hillary, like Bill, is a liar. We know that Hillary is a warmonger. We know that Hillary made the most irresponsible statement ever uttered by a presidential candidate when she declared the President of Russia to be the “new Hitler,” thereby raising tensions between the nuclear powers to a higher level than existed during the Cold War. We know that Hillary is allied with the neoconservatives and that her belief in the neocons’ ideology of US world hegemony is likely to result in war with Russia and China. All we know about Trump is that the oligarchs, who sent America’s jobs overseas, who flooded the country with difficult-to-assimilate immigrants, who destroyed public education, who bailed out Wall Street and the “banks too big to fail,” who sacrificed American homeowners and retirees living on a fixed income, who intend to privatize both Social Security and Medicare, who have given the public killer cops, relentless violations of privacy, the largest prison poplulation in the world, and destroyed the US Constitution in order to increase executive power over the American people, are violently opposed to Trump. This opposition should tell us that Trump is the person we want in the Oval Office. Some claim that it is all a charade and that Trump is playing a role in order to elect Hillary. American politics are so corrupt that anything is possible. However the ruling elites and their puppets seem to be genuinely concerned about Trump’s challenge to their control, and they have united against Trump. They have used their money to buy up “progressive” websites paid to bring the print and TV anti-Trump propaganda onto the Internet, thus joining the Internet presstitutes with the print, TV, and NPR whores who are working overtime to demonize Trump and to elect Hillary. The entire power structure of our country is behind Hillary. Both Democratic and Republican political establishments and both ideologies, neoliberals and neoconservatives, are united behind Hillary. How much more evidence do Americans need in order to know that a vote for Hillary is a vote for their own emasculation? Apparently, Americans remain captives of their insouciance. According to news reports, a majority of voters still haven’t a clue about the consequences of voting for Hillary. Polls report that Hillary is well in the lead. Are these real polls or just another presstitute lie to discourage Trump supporters? Why vote when they have already lost? The propaganda assault against Trump, vicious as it was, did not succeed during the Republican primary. Despite the media condemnation of Trump, he swept the other Republican candidates aside effortlessly. The current media demonization of Trump might fail as well. Indeed, it is so transparent that it could elect him. All that is required is for enough Americans to awake from their insouciance to recognize that it is the enemies of their own lives, their own living standards, and their own liberty who are violently opposed to Trump. If Americans cannot reach this realization, they have no future, and neither does the planet Earth. The ruling oligarchy hates Trump because he disavows war with Russia, questions the purpose of NATO, opposes the offshoring of Americans’ jobs, and opposes the uncontrolled immigration that is transforming the United States into a multi-cultural entity devoid of unity. The oligarchs are replacing the United States with a Tower of Babel. Oligarchic power grows exponentially among the disunity of diversity. In other words, Trump is for America and for Americans. This is why the oligarchs and their whores hate Trump. The imbecillic Americans who vote for Hillary are voting for war and their own immiseration. Possibly, a vote for Trump is the same. However, in the case of Trump we do not know that. In the case of Hillary we most certainly do know it. Of course, it could matter not how Americans vote. Those who program the electronic voting machines will determine the vote, and as the establishments of both political parties totally oppose Trump, the programmed machines can elect Hillary. We know this from our electoral history. The US has already experienced elections in which exit polls show a winning candidate different from the candidate selected by the electronic machines that have no paper trail and no way of affirming the vote. If Hillary gets into the Oval Office, nuclear war is likely before her first term is over. A vote for Hillary is a vote for nuclear war. If you look at the forthcoming election realistically, you have no alternative but to conclude that the entirety of the presstitute media and American Establishment prefers the risk of nuclear war to the risk of losing control of the government to the voters. That Americans permitted the rise of unaccountable power tells us all we need to know about the dereliction of duty of which United States citizens are guilty. The American people failed democracy, which requires accountable government. The American government has proven that it is not accountable to the US Constitution, to US statutory law, to international law, or to voters. If the result of Americans’ dereliction of duty is nuclear war, the American people will be responsible for the death of planet Earth. One would hope that with responsibility this great on their shoulders, the American people will reject the unequivocal war candidate and take their chances on holding Trump accountable to his words. 645 Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West, How America Was Lost, and The Neoconservative Threat to World Order. Git R Dun! 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President Trump is going on a diplomatic mission to Mexico while Hillary is taking a nap: https://t.co/RU33fhN2l5 GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence. Last edited by Xavderion#3432 on Aug 31, 2016, 1:31:41 AM	Posted by Xavderion#3432 on Aug 31, 2016, 1:31:31 AM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: Donald is your only hope..http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/25/trump-vs-hillary-a-summation-paul-craig-roberts/ " sniiiiiiiiip My god man, and people are saying the left is being hyperbolic? I actually snorted-- twice-- while trying to read that garbage. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Aug 31, 2016, 4:35:37 AM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: Donald is your only hope..http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/25/trump-vs-hillary-a-summation-paul-craig-roberts/ " Trump vs. Hillary: A Summation — Paul Craig Roberts ... <snippage> If Americans cannot reach this realization, they have no future, and neither does the planet Earth. America might go down the tubes as Hillary claws everything in sight that disparages or incriminates her, but to say the planet is endangered is only fitting if the words are coming from a carnival barker and he's also telling you they have real live aliens and a Yeti-Loch Ness Hybrid under the tent, if you'll just step right up and buy a ticket... " Trump vs. Hillary: A Summation — Paul Craig Roberts ... If Hillary gets into the Oval Office, nuclear war is likely before her first term is over. That long? Not, like in the first 3 milliseconds? Clearly, the writer is a master of the understated subtlety. While Hillary has already proven herself to use nation state supported violence as a foreign policy tool, the jump to nukes is another matter entirely. The good news, is that if this guy can get published and make a living off of his opinions, than so can anyone else! If the piece was better written, it would remind me of a reverse Landover Baptist article. "The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 31, 2016, 8:38:43 AM	Posted by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 31, 2016, 8:38:26 AM Quote this Post
I never heard of the guy, so I looked at some of his other... writings. He's actually insane. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Aug 31, 2016, 8:45:05 AM Quote this Post
Good speech by Trump with the Mex Pres. Say what you will, but that was pretty nifty.	Posted by Jojas#5551 on Aug 31, 2016, 4:39:48 PM Quote this Post
" Jojas wrote: Good speech by Trump with the Mex Pres. Say what you will, but that was pretty nifty. I watched it. He seemed very bored. Very "low energy". I think this is a preview of what Debate Trump is going to look like. (and I look forward to contrasting it with tonights Arizona speech) A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403 Last edited by Antnee#4468 on Aug 31, 2016, 4:59:25 PM	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Aug 31, 2016, 4:58:49 PM Quote this Post