Why Alt F4 / Portal out?

And this is why I laugh at people who thinks playing HC makes them superior.

I play hc because standard economy is totally broke and I dont really like starting a new league.

Economy:
Pro:
- no real competetive environment
- items are much more valuable = more currency
- hc ex are worth more compared to standard ones
- your items can be sold in hc or sc. (rip to sc)

Cons
- Dont die or you'll wake up in hell
- atm fewer people there(because of temp league), so trading is not that easy
- no rippy or only dps builds (could be a con... makes no sense to die that often)

I´m glad i can ALT+F4... dont want to loose my equipment.
Also... I think people would play less expensive builds if they implement such a log out delay.

if the game worked 100% perfectly, without ANY random source of "un-fairly-caused deaths" happening to people every single day in the hardcore leagues, I'd be on the "get rid of alt-f4" band wagon.

The truth of reality is, The internet is not perfect(yet), your character is NOT ALWAYS where you see it to be, and thusly, causes people to die in these hardcore leagues, due to no fault of their own.

There are horrific lag spikes, that occur at certain spots in certain zones, with certain particle effects rolling, which can easily get a hardcore character killed. That is due to the game not being 100% optimized for your computer's setup.

remember, GGG are humans that are trying their hardest to make the game "perfect", and the day where this game is "perfect", has not yet arrived.

Under perfect conditions, where the ONLY variable to your character surviving, is the players ability to "play gud!(cough* MURICA)" I am 100% for the removal of alt-f4, and such mechanics. Until that day arrives, we players NEED to level out the playing field somehow.

Plus, this game is pretty dang fast paced. and an alt-f4 is absolutely NO GUARANTEE that you are safe. I, and may many many others have died, and lost hard-core characters to even attempting to use a portal, or alt-f4 when they are in a bad situation.

If someone has the reaction speed to consistently save their hard-core character from death in dire situations, using any method, they should probably deserve some fair amount of praise for having an outstanding reaction speed, and ahnd/eye and/or muscle memory accuracy that is almost entirely un-seen, and often a neglected factor in this subject.

tl;dr: I vote, leave alt-f4, portals, and all these mechanics the same, for now! (read my dang post if you want to know why)

p.s.: I currently have a level 91 RANGER(who said evasion builds were dead?) in tempest. I can count the times i've had to use these functions on my two hands. It isn't often. and HALF of those, were when my character was in ZERO danger of mobs.... I'm not staying logged into a zone for 5 seconds where i lag spike so bad, my screen freezes for more than 1 second with poison cloud tempest rolling around.(THAT would be an un-fair death)

First off being emotionally invested in "hardcore mode" in an online game where hardcore is extremely unreliable (internet connection, server problems, PC problems, ect) is kinda fruitless.

Along with ARPG being designed to one shot you because you can log out/portal at anytime otherwise you would never die if your remotely decent at the game.

Even if we fix the latter (add delay for logging out/can't portal during fighting and reduce spike damage across the board and other one shot damage) you still have the former problem.

If you want to fix the latter problem go ahead, but this salty ass thread is just going to be fodder for people to make fun of.

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miljan wrote:

They really need to remove alt f4 from the game and implement a short 2, 3 second delay where you cant log out so people dont abuse this bad mechanic.

no they really shouldnt.


What you would get as a result is people playing the game entirely differently, you wouldnt run into a room guns blazing, you would open the door, tempt a few mobs out with a decoy totem and kill them in a really boring fashion until the room was clear, you wouldnt play pushy or risky at all.

Look at D3, the have a timer like that, whats the result? HC would be unplayable in that game for most people doing hard content so they add cheat death passives where you can die once, be put back to full life and it has a cooldown... So people die once, trigger their cooldown then port out of the zone and wait out their cooldown in town before going back in. Its even worse, the resulting play style is even more stupid than what goes on in PoE, its less fun, encourages even more pussy play style.


Yes of course it makes the whole hc vs sc thing a bit of a joke, if you are lvl95 in sc and you have died 5 times but never logged out you have exactly the same skill level as a hc player whos 95 and has logged out 5 times. For sure, the whole hc elite thing is full of shit. But that doesnt mean it would be a better game without logouts, thats simply not true it would be a worse game and lead to players taking way less risks and ultimately dying less as a result. You can pull an entire map 1 mob at a time and kill them 1 by 1 without any risk, the only time in this game you are in any danger outside of a boss fight is when you chose to play faster than that, and the faster you go the more risk you take of random death.

sticky when?


oh who am I kidding, it wont change anything

EDIT: and by that I mean a sticky to shut up these threads

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

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miljan wrote:

Dont care how many timew you cheated with using alt f4 and how much HP you have left, this should be fixed. And you should die if you dont know to play and got yourself in a bad situation from witch you cant get out.

Its really funny what shit people will defend. Unfortunately nothing new.

Yes, because if they removed alt-f4 then some players will just set up a 'kill switch' to drop their internet connection instead (and thus have an advantage over everyone else) - so GGG would also need to add a 'disconnect timer' along with a 'logout timer' and then, we will have the same problem D3's HC has - YOU DIE when your ISP drops you, or if your pc crashes, or if the game locks up, or if your sister unplugs the cable modem, or if... I think you get the picture. It sucks, lets please not go there.

The REAL problem is players that use 'chicken' programs to automatically disconnect if their life gets too low. GGG says they have ways to detect it, and they have banned some players for it. (correct me if I'm wrong) If anything I would like to see more effort go into detecting cheaters, because otherwise alt-f4 does NOT save that many HC players - IMO its simply not a problem.

No kill siwtch, it will not work because as you said there would be a cool down timer. Also sorry but GGG should not implement bad and shit mechanic because your ISP sucks or your PC sucks. If you want to play online game fix it, if not, go play offline games or standard league. The game should not get worse because you can not play online games.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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miljan wrote:

They really need to remove alt f4 from the game and implement a short 2, 3 second delay where you cant log out so people dont abuse this bad mechanic.

no they really shouldnt.


What you would get as a result is people playing the game entirely differently, you wouldnt run into a room guns blazing, you would open the door, tempt a few mobs out with a decoy totem and kill them in a really boring fashion until the room was clear, you wouldnt play pushy or risky at all.

Look at D3, the have a timer like that, whats the result? HC would be unplayable in that game for most people doing hard content so they add cheat death passives where you can die once, be put back to full life and it has a cooldown... So people die once, trigger their cooldown then port out of the zone and wait out their cooldown in town before going back in. Its even worse, the resulting play style is even more stupid than what goes on in PoE, its less fun, encourages even more pussy play style.


Yes of course it makes the whole hc vs sc thing a bit of a joke, if you are lvl95 in sc and you have died 5 times but never logged out you have exactly the same skill level as a hc player whos 95 and has logged out 5 times. For sure, the whole hc elite thing is full of shit. But that doesnt mean it would be a better game without logouts, thats simply not true it would be a worse game and lead to players taking way less risks and ultimately dying less as a result. You can pull an entire map 1 mob at a time and kill them 1 by 1 without any risk, the only time in this game you are in any danger outside of a boss fight is when you chose to play faster than that, and the faster you go the more risk you take of random death.

They should if they want to fix the problem. And nothing is more stupid than alt f4 from the game, at least d3 implemented something that is in the game and works, and they put some effort in it, and not something lazy like we have in PoE..

The only thing I can think of that also sucks and is bad and lazy, but at least somewhat better is to have a in game skill that on press of the button will teleport you to the town and reset the zone, to simulate alt f4, but to be in the game. But even with that change, there would need to be a cool down on logout. This is a must if the game want to be a always online and have a HC league. There is no room for bad mechanics, especially for hack and similar cheap cheats and tricks.

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miljan wrote:

They should if they want to fix the problem.

there is no problem

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miljan wrote:

at least d3 implemented something that is in the game and works

no it doesnt, hc in diablo 3 is an absolute joke, its not taken seriously, people who play hardcore in d2 and poe often play softcore in d3 because its a completely dogshit joke that doesnt work. you either play content with no risk or play content with risk in a manner that takes away all the risk. the main way people die there is by getting disconnected because the game doesnt drop them it just lets them die even though their client has disconnected from the server, so you cant take it seriously. You dont die in the actual game unless youre an idiot basically, you proc cheat death and then wait out its cooldown.

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miljan wrote:

at least d3 implemented something that is in the game and works

op your diablo 3 argument is flawed, 5% of diablo player base plays hardcore, its total crap, please