[SUGGESTION] Auction House + Special AH Currency (from vendors) - idea

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Slaughtererr wrote:

Yellow items also don't give me fun, only uniques are the items I wanna find and wear.

well that says that you dont rly understand the game yet, keep playing ull get it eventually.

A character wearing all uniques, even a character wearing mostly uniques will be a very, very badly geared character. Rare items are the best items in this game in 99% of cases.

Not a fan of ad hominem fallacy. I feel people don't understand what ad hominem actually means - it means even if you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that someone has literally never played Path of Exile, that wouldn't be a valid argument against a suggestion they propose. It is possible for a complete novice to nevertheless offer an amazing idea. You need to defeat the suggestion, not the suggester.

That said, an "AH currency" is a horrible idea because it places value on a linear track. You can't have an economy without trading, so if the trade system forces a currency then that currency becomes the de facto measurement, with everything else in terms of it. This would take a lot of flexibility out of PoE's currency system.

Ranking things in a linear order from most to least valuable should be something for each player to do, with possible differences of opinion. It is important that the game help players do this thing but not do it for them.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Slaughtererr wrote:

Yellow items also don't give me fun, only uniques are the items I wanna find and wear.

well that says that you dont rly understand the game yet, keep playing ull get it eventually.

A character wearing all uniques, even a character wearing mostly uniques will be a very, very badly geared character. Rare items are the best items in this game in 99% of cases.

Please step down from Your judgement chair :) Let me explain myself then:

I never said that I don't understand the game. I know alot about it, I perfectly know that Rare items are the best in 99% of cases and I honestly dislike this idea, I honestly despise this idea to such extend that I prefer to wear all uniques and stop playing when I hit the progression wall because of badly geared character and then I start a new character and unique-gear it up until I hit another wall :) That's my fun :) I want to wear cool items with cool names and propertis, not the best Rare items :) That's why I pushed my character to 68 bacause I want to wear Void Battieries one day. Now, I need to find them :)

Maybe thats why D3 gives me more fun, Set items and Legendary (Unique) items are great now and You can enjoy gathering and using them. I honestly love gathering legendary and set items, Rares are boooring as hell to me.

I am just one of these people, who know alot, can do alot, but they don't because they despise something and avoid doing it. It's all about feeling it.

Well, it seems that D3 and WoW are better places for me then, especially because of the upcming Legion exspansion, where You have a Legendary weapon and You can upgrade it. Awesome stuff.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Not a fan of ad hominem fallacy. I feel people don't understand what ad hominem actually means - it means even if you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that someone has literally never played Path of Exile, that wouldn't be a valid argument against a suggestion they propose. It is possible for a complete novice to nevertheless offer an amazing idea. You need to defeat the suggestion, not the suggester.

Thank You, very wise words, too bad most of players can't even think that way :(

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

That said, an "AH currency" is a horrible idea because it places value on a linear track. You can't have an economy without trading, so if the trade system forces a currency then that currency becomes the de facto measurement, with everything else in terms of it. This would take a lot of flexibility out of PoE's currency system.

There is no real flexibility anyway beyond the illusion that a lack of transparency gives it. We value things based on rarity + usage (which depletes supply and increases demand) anyway. Orbs up to alchemy have fixed vendor prices and known drop rates that are easy to get. Those things above that are valued in terms of drop rate comparisons to known fixed values. Any and all variations therein are from exploiting those unsure of the rates and those in desperate need of said item. All of which exist anyway in a auction house. Hell, in essence everything is valued in terms of a scroll of wisdom scrap essentially (which would be a single gold coin in d3). You can covert any value in this game to a gold value in the end, there is a fixed economy with a staple currency in this game.... just with layers of obfuscation and lack of mobility/fluidity in a attempt to pretend that there isn't.


edit - and if you've ever seen a single RMT ad or site then you would know that people have every single item value down to both gold and real money in the end.

There is flexibility - prices on the AH are higher than from vendoring them. You have flexibility here.

There is no linear pricing besides bad items. That's it. Also You can always trade them for orbs like today.

Situations, when people will undercut until the difference between AH price and Vendor price is marginal, may only happen to some items, but not to the expensive ones.

Vendor won't be offering for Void Batteries the equivalent of Exalt in Vendor Currency. Vendor will offer slighty more than for a typical Rare item. This allows for price flexibility on the AH. Because Vendor will offer You 1 000 Ah Currency for the Void Battery, while it's AH price may be 950 000 - 1 000 000

Also, You can send a message to a seller, asking him if he wants to sell item now for 90% of B/O price, some will accept this offer, some won't and will wait and wait and wait.

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Slaughtererr wrote:

There is flexibility - prices on the AH are higher than from vendoring them. You have flexibility here.

There is no linear pricing besides bad items. That's it. Also You can always trade them for orbs like today.

Situations, when people will undercut until the difference between AH price and Vendor price is marginal, may only happen to some items, but not to the expensive ones.

Vendor won't be offering for Void Batteries the equivalent of Exalt in Vendor Currency. Vendor will offer slighty more than for a typical Rare item. This allows for price flexibility on the AH. Because Vendor will offer You 1 000 Ah Currency for the Void Battery, while it's AH price may be 950 000 - 1 000 000

Also, You can send a message to a seller, asking him if he wants to sell item now for 90% of B/O price, some will accept this offer, some won't and will wait and wait and wait.

Take out the vendor part, because they mean as much toward a auction house as they do with trade with people... nothing being changed since it applies equally to both. Take out the PM to ask for a better price, because you can still do that with a auction house anyway. Take out the undercut, because it still happens anyway regardless of the system. In the end, all of this happens to both equally and in the exact same manner. Prices are STILL indexed and equalized on the same rarity based values on the poe.trade site+tool and in the end it is the exact same thing with more annoyances. The only differences are not needing to be there in person to do that in game live and that one is built into the game while the other is all 3rd party (doing the same exact thing anyway).

Not a single difference in the two systems in your post in the end besides one being harder to use without needing a 3rd party site and tools that essentially more like a real auction house then proposed auctions houses ever were.

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Jiero wrote:

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Slaughtererr wrote:

There is flexibility - prices on the AH are higher than from vendoring them. You have flexibility here.

There is no linear pricing besides bad items. That's it. Also You can always trade them for orbs like today.

Situations, when people will undercut until the difference between AH price and Vendor price is marginal, may only happen to some items, but not to the expensive ones.

Vendor won't be offering for Void Batteries the equivalent of Exalt in Vendor Currency. Vendor will offer slighty more than for a typical Rare item. This allows for price flexibility on the AH. Because Vendor will offer You 1 000 Ah Currency for the Void Battery, while it's AH price may be 950 000 - 1 000 000

Also, You can send a message to a seller, asking him if he wants to sell item now for 90% of B/O price, some will accept this offer, some won't and will wait and wait and wait.

Take out the vendor part, because they mean as much toward a auction house as they do with trade with people... nothing being changed since it applies equally to both. Take out the PM to ask for a better price, because you can still do that with a auction house anyway. Take out the undercut, because it still happens anyway regardless of the system. In the end, all of this happens to both equally and in the exact same manner. Prices are STILL indexed and equalized on the same rarity based values on the poe.trade site+tool and in the end it is the exact same thing with more annoyances.

Not a single difference in the two systems in your post in the end besides one being harder to use without needing a 3rd party site and tools that essentially more like a real auction house then proposed auctions houses ever were.

You seem to not understand the difference between current system and real AH - quality of life and comfort of trading, which transfers to much more people being able to trade. Ignoring this fact makes all Your arguments completelly useless, because You simply don't focus on making a better product, You focus on stagnation or even going back in time, which I know is one of the prime reasons behind many PoE's fans - nostalgia to outdated systems and it's one of the main resons behind GGG income, for now, but it will only last 2-5 more years, after that it's maintance mode game unless they evolve and improve PoE.

Don't You want more comfortable and more fun product? It seems to me, that you don't.

I prefer to quickly use the AH and enjoy the game, not wasting time on current trade system. Ah opens trade to much wider audience and is feared by those who abuse current system for their income :)

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Slaughtererr wrote:

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Jiero wrote:

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Slaughtererr wrote:

There is flexibility - prices on the AH are higher than from vendoring them. You have flexibility here.

There is no linear pricing besides bad items. That's it. Also You can always trade them for orbs like today.

Situations, when people will undercut until the difference between AH price and Vendor price is marginal, may only happen to some items, but not to the expensive ones.

Vendor won't be offering for Void Batteries the equivalent of Exalt in Vendor Currency. Vendor will offer slighty more than for a typical Rare item. This allows for price flexibility on the AH. Because Vendor will offer You 1 000 Ah Currency for the Void Battery, while it's AH price may be 950 000 - 1 000 000

Also, You can send a message to a seller, asking him if he wants to sell item now for 90% of B/O price, some will accept this offer, some won't and will wait and wait and wait.

Take out the vendor part, because they mean as much toward a auction house as they do with trade with people... nothing being changed since it applies equally to both. Take out the PM to ask for a better price, because you can still do that with a auction house anyway. Take out the undercut, because it still happens anyway regardless of the system. In the end, all of this happens to both equally and in the exact same manner. Prices are STILL indexed and equalized on the same rarity based values on the poe.trade site+tool and in the end it is the exact same thing with more annoyances.

Not a single difference in the two systems in your post in the end besides one being harder to use without needing a 3rd party site and tools that essentially more like a real auction house then proposed auctions houses ever were.

You seem to not understand the difference between current system and real AH - quality of life and comfort of trading, which transfers to much more people being able to trade. Ignoring this fact makes all Your arguments completelly useless, because You simply don't focus on making a better product, You focus on stagnation or even going back in time, which I know is one of the prime reasons behind many PoE's fans - nostalgia to outdated systems.
Don't You want more comfortable and more fun product? It seems to me, that you don't.

Considering I was SUPPORTING your OP post by saying they are the same thing functionally anyway... I assume you either did not read anything I wrote, could not understand anything I wrote or just TLDRd it and posted a irrelevant strawman attack on me (thinking this).


edit - Or is english not your primary language? If so I can simplify and explain it further.

Ineed they may be simillar, but still, You were against the AH implementation.

You guys don't seem to understand what "fixed" means. These ratios, you see them as permanent, but they change with time and will continue to do so.

Why do they change? Because opinions change. How you feel about currency value has the ability to shift its value.

Perhaps what has you confused is that you do not have sole control. Yours is but one vote in a sea of others, your individual impact on the economy but a tiny fraction of its overall whim. But small is not zero; trade value is based on collective opinion, so without opinion it ceases to exist.

Multiple currencies give players options in terms of where to focus their opinions. And this is a very important thing.