Vengeance + Fortify not interacting (bug?)

but you see, Ice crash does high bases damage, with the avatar or fire + cold to fire support rune + all the other runes that give added damage + a 2 handed mace with does high damage to start with + all that high damage now gets boosted by fire damage nodes. you stack with that the flamability curse which boosts it all again + The Three Dragons which causes your burns to become shock effects which is even more damage. And it's AOE damage so even if you're attacking the strong target the weak ones around him are inevitably going to get overkilled while they are at like 1% hp which is further increased by +80% burning damage from passive tree (maybe even more with support gem on herald of ash) which then gets reduced a little but proliferated to all immediately close targets. And basically you have an inferno of destruction on your hands. That's the idea behind my fire lord build. Also flame dash to just get in there really quickly right in the juicy centre of the mobs. If only there was a way to fully convery physical skill gems into fire damage, then I would just roll out vigilant strike as my second ability :(

Seems like you're complicating things unnecessarily to me.

I'd just do generic ice crash, it's more than good on its own.

6L: ice crash - faster attacks - (blood magic / mana leech - replace if you have other mana sustain method) - melee physical - weapon elemental - added fire

4L: vengeance - life gain on hit - curse on hit - punishment

4L: flicker strike - faster attacks - blood magic - fortify

4L: CwdT - golem - blood rage - phase run

three unlinked skills: hatred - herald of ash - enduring cry

use blood dance boots

get Resolute Technique + lots of life and some 2H and axe/mace passives from tree

easy

that's just me, though

edit: duplicate

OOPS. Sorry about wrong math. I read the line for quality by accident, which says INCREASED dmg, while the gem itself indeed does MORE dmg. And while I was testing difference in-game at low level, it didn't make much difference yet, coz not enough dmg to scale. Later it does indeed make big difference in dmg.

That reading mistake on my part explains why it sounded way too good compared to other supports. And thanks for correcting me.



For my defense and as a personal lazy/drunken leveling experience. Fortify linked to main skill works great for lazy leveling upto early merciles A3, even with only 4L. Though I'd advice to swap it out for more DPS against bosses. And closer to end game you obviously want to use it with secondary skill instead, for those extra deeps.

But as long as stuff keeps dying fast with it, I like to use fortify linked to mainskill while leveling, coz I'm lazy. Obviously it's not good for you, if you are obsessed with tooltip DPS etc.


For softcore I wouldn't probably bother fortify much at all during leveling, as dying doesn't really matter (apart from 80s or 90s, where xp penalty slows you down). And for HC, Fortify is not really bulletproof against some random wtf-oneshot moments, but at least you know you used every layer of defense available, when you eventually die. But that's quite off topic and another story. :)

Doing a fire conversion Ice crash can be good for one reason. If you're doing a life build you can stack the most life and life regen using life/fire items and nodes on the tree. If this is your goal then it's a great idea to convert all of your damage to fire with avatar and a cold to fire gem. Then you can pick up the arsonist (I believe) node and get fire damage & life regen. It would also allow you to fully utilize a kaoms heart.

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pigeonholedgary wrote:

Doing a fire conversion Ice crash can be good for one reason. If you're doing a life build you can stack the most life and life regen using life/fire items and nodes on the tree. If this is your goal then it's a great idea to convert all of your damage to fire with avatar and a cold to fire gem. Then you can pick up the arsonist (I believe) node and get fire damage & life regen. It would also allow you to fully utilize a kaoms heart.

Nice Necro.