Fire penetration or Concentrated Effect for explosive arrow.
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Anyone got the experience to tell me which is
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Concentrated Effect would make you overkill the things you're already murdering, and it would hurt your aoe clear and doesn't help you against fire resist enemies.
Fire Pen specifically helps you the most against the things that you have the most problem with. It also doesn't hurt your clear speed. For virtually every mono-elemental skill in the game, Penetration is the best bet. |
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" Thank you, however since I am using elemental prolifiration for AoE, paired with GMP for more AoE, do you still think that fire pen is definately a better choice than conc? I'm asking since this is a difficult thing to test ingame |
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For 'pure effective Damage output', Conc is the better option because Fire Res occurs on less than half of all monsters.
For effectiveness, what Pneuma said goes regardless of your setup. Adding in EP only further pushes it towards FPen. EP doesn't deal Damage, so it cannot benefit from Conc's Damage multiplier, but it sure does suffer that radius penalty. Additionally, without FPen, Ignites inflicted on high Resist enemies will blow chunks, thus rendering EP pointless. |
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" this is incorrect - penetration can make mobs resistance negative, and effectively making them take more damage. so penetration is almost always the best bet. i'd go with fire pen also |
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" Fire Pen versus 0% Resists (the most common value you'll face) grants a 35% More Damage multiplier. Conc grants a 70% More Damage multiplier - literally twice as powerful. Yes, Pen pushes them into negative Resists. That doesn't magically make 35% more powerful than 70%. |
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" I have a feeling that you are wrong about this. Conc effect deals more damage, thus the prolifirated ignites will also burn for more damage, so effectively elemental prolifiration does actually benefit from conc effect in this situation, please correct me if I'm wrong. " If I am correct so far, then this is also wrong. the ignite wouldn't 'blow chunks' because the elemental prolifiration gem will prolifirate a 60-70% more powerful ignite. Once again, please enlighten me if I am wrong about this Last edited by GnGEmpire#0632 on Jan 5, 2015, 10:21:18 AM
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Conc effect won't double dip with elemental proliferation. It will increase the base damage for burns against most enemies more than penetration will though so it will be better most of the time (burning doesn't penetrate either so you'll get better burns even if there's just one low resist mob in the group). This is especially true with resistance lowering curses and elemental equilibrium.
Last edited by DichotomousThree#0868 on Jan 5, 2015, 11:02:40 AM
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" is there anything in the game that has 0% resistance? thats the thing, im not sure we know. conc effect will do more dmg than fire pen vs stuff without any resistance, fire pen will be better vs the fire resistant mobs, and also keeps the AoE effect at full radius which can effectively have it hit more than one mob at a time. fire pen literally has no negative effect, conc effect does. conc effect will only be more effective vs certain mobs. fire pen quality also boosts your dmg slightly. not sure which would end up costing less mana considering conc effect quality... lets face it nobody has a problem clearing trash mobs anyway (which would be the ones to have 0% fire res if anything). vs something with 50% fire res you're dealing essentially the same damage (more with fire pen quality) and yet no negative effect of smaller radius. all in all, everybody can talk numbers all day. you know your character so test them out and see which you feel is best. personally i go with pen all day every day because its most effective vs what i need it effective against - bosses |
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" You have a feeling I am wrong. I know for a fact that I am correct. Elemental Proliferation simply copies the Ignite from the initial target to every enemy in range: it functions the same as an Aura. It does not deal any Damage, and thus Damage multipliers have zero effect. " Loads of monsters have 0% Resists. If monsters have even 1% Resist to an element, it is noted as such. Because nobody takes my word anymore. Re the entire rest of your post: you do know that everything else in my initial post said Fire Pen is miles better than Conc, right :/ You seem to think I'm saying Conc is better than Fire Pen. |
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