Cloak of Defiance - The only viable option for EB/MoM builds?

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GnGEmpire wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I never used MoM or Cloak and all I play is EB witches. There are way more formidable defenses than conditional MoM.

The thing about MoM, the way I see it at least, is that it's essentially an almost "free" layer of defence. Unlike armour/evasion/dodge/block which all require investment of passive points as well as investment in gear, MoM only requires a single notable, or Cloak of Defiance. The rest of the gear is the same gear that you would use for any EB character anyway.
The purpose of this thread is to find out what people think regarding the viability of the notable in comparison to Cloak of Defiance.
In my opinion the notable is not even worth considering, ever. (Which is a shame, because they might as well just remove it)

It's not free though. You have to have huge mana free to act as a health sink. Thats mana that can't be used for offensive and defensive auras. Not to mention chest has no life no resits.

Then sometimes you are dead in the water and cant cast, lightning warp away from danger etc after successive hits/reflect maps/tanking dominus beam etc after mana is eaten through even with 400-500 mana regen a sec.

Naw man I'd rather be immune to damage or close to it and always be able to spam by running hyper over resits and non mom.

Yup MoM should be somewhere else. It's like putting CI near duelist tree. No sense. I think that it should be placed between witch and tempar tree.

You can certainly make a viable EK build with MoM on the tree, but it's a HUGE waste of points. You're so much better off skipping MoM or Cloak completely and going Phase Acrobatics + EB (even though Acrobatics decreases ES) + AA.

Still, I'm all for repositioning MoM on the skill tree to make it actually worthwhile.

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GnGEmpire wrote:

The thing about MoM, the way I see it at least, is that it's essentially an almost "free" layer of defence.

This is extremely incorrect. With MoM you usually stack mana on the tree, or at the very least you stack ES on gear and mana regen on accessories. Not free at all. Plus with MoM you have to forfeit one or two auras.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

What do you think of this MoM tree? EK crit ranger?

Not bad at all, although I'm not a fan of going crit with EK since you have to abandon aura/buff effect nodes (which simultaneously boost offenses like Hatred and defensive tools like AA/Clarity/Discipline), plus you can get comparable damage with non-crit.

Shameless bump for this thread and my duelist/mom feedback thread.



Happy new-year all.

Peace,

-Boem-

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TheVibeOfDeath wrote:

I honestly feel it's out of place where it is currently and think it would be better by the Templar spot somewhere, probably between the Templar and Witch spots. He is the strength/intelligence hybrid class and Mind over Matter feels like that is the category it falls under.

Conceptually, it's the same sort of keystone as Chaos Inoculation, Acrobatics, Resolute Technique, etc: one that sacrifices something supported by the other end of the skill tree to do something else better. As such, it should be as far away from the bulk of the +mana nodes as possible, and thus the spot it's at is entirely appropriate.

However, mechanically speaking, it has more in common with Iron Reflexes, since CI, Acrobatics, and ResTech don't actually put the sacrificed resources to use, they just do away with them. In that respect, MoM has more in common with Iron Reflexes. One could argue, thus, that Iron Reflexes should be way up on the outside of the Shadow's area.

I guess what I'm saying is "meh, okay, sure".