Static Strike and Melee Physical passives Question

For molten strike the melee physical passives do not scale the projectiles, is that also the mechanic for static strike?

Both gems have melee tag for the initial hit just dont know if that carries for static.

A dev response would be fantastic as any other response would be speculation.

It's not really the same, molten strike projectiles are not affected because projectiles can't do melee damage, the skill follows the game rules.

Static discharge carries your weapon damage, which means it's also an attack, not secondary damage like infernal blow explosions. As attacks must be either melee or projectile and it's obviously not the latter, it means the discharge is an area melee attack, similar to sweep.

It's not really a speculation, current game rules say the skill should work that way, as it most likely does, unless they created an exception specifically for that skill, which is unlikely.

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raics wrote:

It's not really the same, molten strike projectiles are not affected because projectiles can't do melee damage, the skill follows the game rules.

Static discharge carries your weapon damage, which means it's also an attack, not secondary damage like infernal blow explosions. As attacks must be either melee or projectile and it's obviously not the latter, it means the discharge is an area melee attack, similar to sweep.

That would be great but I'd like a confirmation. Your reasoning makes sense but melee tends to be confined to the melee. I suppose another question is where does the static damage come from? the 60% is for the initial strike. Is it a mirror of the physical damage dealt -30%?

No, it's similar to molten or lightning strike.
Initial strike hits with 110% weapon damage and is affected by melee attack bonuses.
Novas hit for 30% less, which is 77% of weapon damage and are affected by melee attack and aoe bonuses. Of course, 60% of physical damage gets converted to lightning.

Yup, I'm pretty positive everything works as it should, I gave it a shot on a high level char. Novas surely did over half of damage that the direct attack did, if it wasn't affected by melee bonuses it wouldn't be doing any damage at all, it was a straight melee physical char.

/edit after leveling with my Templar I recognized that mobs that get hit from my energy burst sometimes ignite (my sword has fire damage).
So it seems every damage from whatever source is taken into the 70% energy burst.


So ..

A weapon with 100 physical damage hits a mob with Static Strike.
110% weapon damage = 110 physical damage, 60% converted to lightning.

Mob gets hit for 44 physical + 66 lightning damage.
Static Energy Burst does then 70% of the "110 physical" damage OR the "44 physical" OR the "44 physical + 66 lightning"?

And does the physical damage nodes from the skill tree work with the Static Energy Burst in any way?
Or are they calculated in the physical damage when I hit a mob and from this base the 70% Burst?

You should probably check up on damage conversion in detail, it's useful to know.

I can give you the simple version, I suppose. Base damage of the skill is 110% of your weapon damage and burst does 70% of skill's base damage.

So, if our weapon damage is 1000, direct hits will do 1100 damage, of which 660 will be lightning and 440 will be physical.

Burst will do 70% of 1100, that is 770, of which 462 will be lightning and 308 will be physical.

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If elemental damage is based on physical, it will be increased by physical damage bonuses too. So you can use nodes that say, for instance, 'increased physical damage with 1H weapons' to boost the part converted to lightning and also any percentage added damage like hatred, aded fire or herald of ash.

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raics wrote:

You should probably check up on damage conversion in detail, it's useful to know.

I can give you the simple version, I suppose. Base damage of the skill is 110% of your weapon damage and burst does 70% of skill's base damage.

So, if our weapon damage is 1000, direct hits will do 1100 damage, of which 660 will be lightning and 440 will be physical.

Burst will do 70% of 1100, that is 770, of which 462 will be lightning and 308 will be physical.

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If elemental damage is based on physical, it will be increased by physical damage bonuses too. So you can use nodes that say, for instance, 'increased physical damage with 1H weapons' to boost the part converted to lightning and also any percentage added damage like hatred, aded fire or herald of ash.

I'm not sure if that part is correct (or wrong). Not sure why the burst (explosion) would have any physical to it.

This all leads to the initial question. Do Melee damage nodes help with the burst?

It sounds like, from your example, the damage is based after conversion but molten strike mechanics had the same snag. The initial hit counted all but the conversion to the secondary effect removed melee specific nodes from the equation. I have a feeling same goes here.

Would love a GGG dev to answer.

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Madcow1120 wrote:

It sounds like, from your example, the damage is based after conversion but molten strike mechanics had the same snag. The initial hit counted all but the conversion to the secondary effect removed melee specific nodes from the equation. I have a feeling same goes here.

Molten Strikes second damage was projectiles which can't have melee specific nodes.

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Madcow1120 wrote:

Not sure why the burst (explosion) would have any physical to it.

Because it would say otherwise, 30% less damage means the damage profile is the same as your normal hit, just reduced in magnitude. Compare it with two-stage skills that don't have a weapon component, infernal blow says 'percentage of target life' and explosive arrow detonations have skill-based damage, it doesn't come from your weapon.

So, if it uses your weapon damage it must be an attack.
If it's an attack it must be either melee or projectile.
It isn't a projectile.
=> Burst is a melee area attack.

It's as clear-cut as can be, if it was any other way the gem description would say it.

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Molten strike has no snags, it's also a two stage attack and it follow game rules to the letter.
It has a primary hit that deals 120% of your weapon damage and is affected by melee attack bonuses.
It also has three projectiles which deal 60% of 120%, which is 72% of your weapon damage, and are affected by bonuses that work with projectile area attacks like rain of arrows.
All hits it does have 60% of physical damage converted to fire.

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Madcow1120 wrote:

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raics wrote:

You should probably check up on damage conversion in detail, it's useful to know.

I can give you the simple version, I suppose. Base damage of the skill is 110% of your weapon damage and burst does 70% of skill's base damage.

So, if our weapon damage is 1000, direct hits will do 1100 damage, of which 660 will be lightning and 440 will be physical.

Burst will do 70% of 1100, that is 770, of which 462 will be lightning and 308 will be physical.

...
If elemental damage is based on physical, it will be increased by physical damage bonuses too. So you can use nodes that say, for instance, 'increased physical damage with 1H weapons' to boost the part converted to lightning and also any percentage added damage like hatred, aded fire or herald of ash.

I'm not sure if that part is correct (or wrong). Not sure why the burst (explosion) would have any physical to it.

This all leads to the initial question. Do Melee damage nodes help with the burst?

It sounds like, from your example, the damage is based after conversion but molten strike mechanics had the same snag. The initial hit counted all but the conversion to the secondary effect removed melee specific nodes from the equation. I have a feeling same goes here.

Would love a GGG dev to answer.

I'm obviously not a GGG employee, but the explosion definitely shares your original damage type. If you run Static Strike with Hatred the crits on the explosions will freeze/shatter enemies.