Forsaken Craft: You've sort of broken your game GGG

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I_NO wrote:

And most of these 1m+ DPS builds are in fucking standard out of all things lol have they forgotten they don't balance around that league? Have they? Or are they just too broken to realize it.

well, with these master crafts they dont balance around any league now it seems.

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I_NO wrote:

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tmaciak wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

That's just ridiculous.

Some find ridiculous 1 mln DPS builds in game, where average player struggles to pass 15-20K DPS. If such disparity is possible, game will never have any balance, especially that devs insist to make high level players life harder, what completely shits on average player.

You want a casual player / average player to be able to somehow get mirrored god tier gear which enables 1 mil DPS +? Or what? A fucking number alone makes people emo like look at that shit guy has given up lol

I want nobody to reach such DPS, because situation, in which disparity reaches over 1000% is not normal.

And it's not about balancing around this or that league (I personally play Standard, solo, mostly self found and as I don't want participate in trading I don't have any mirrored gear, thank you) but about allowing for such disparities.

I'm countering for once and not trolling ANYONE with the best gear mirrored and such deserves that amount of DPS It should be possible and GGG obviously agrees.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I dont agree at all, it used to be very difficult to actually acquire game breaking gear. My character in Rampage was as powerful in the first 5 days of the league as my standard characters were after 10 months of playing that league, thats how much they have nuked their game. Looking at your character list your highest level character is 72, so unless Im missing something you havent even really played endgame to talk about such things from experience.

Well, I guess you've reached the true end of the game. It's over for you, so the next best step is to ruin it for everyone else also?

You said yourself that you breeze through the game solo, self found naked, without using crafting, so the masters addition is a non-factor for you anyway. Why do you even care?

It's probably best just to face up to being the greatest player the game has ever known, and retire as a legend. Hopefully you can find something else that challenges you.

youre just being silly now, nothing you said here is attached to reality.


I said what I said because people in this thread are having a proper discussion about the realities of the game, people who have absolutely zero experience of what they are talking about coming in and making flat statements like the ones you make have no relevance because theyre not based on any sort of reality. If you have no experience of the things you are talking about then why say them? Whats motivating you to just say these things if you dont actually know if theyre true or not? How does that help or contribute to a serious discussion about the game?

When I was scrubbing around tyring to clear lvl74 maps HvR was hitting world first lvl100. When I was buying a mirrored copy of a weapon in permanent softcore HvR was crafting his own with 100s of exalts and using it to destroy uber atziri in the hardest hardcore league that had existed up to that point. I wouldnt even register on a top 50,000 players list, but I do have experience of the things Im talking about and thats why I am talking about them. I dont say what I say to big myself up, I dont say it to put you or anyone else down either, I say it for the sake of keeping this serious discussion serious and real and not let it decent into some pointless fantasy land fueled by nothing more than bitterness, spite and self affirming delusions.

Theres things in this game I personally felt needed changed and made "easier" sure, availability of endgame viable weapons, access to content that is appropriate for the level of our characters are 2 examples. But too much has been changed in this game to accommodate bad players playing bad builds badly when really the answer to their problems should have been "learn to play, its on you", I cant count the amount of times Ive been put on probation for telling the truth, for calling out a situation for what it really was. And Ive been wrong many times, Ill hold my hands up to it, we all have no shame in it. But if we are going to have discussions about the game they need to come from honesty, reality, and we need to be open to the fact we might be wrong and accept that, not just have a blinkered unrealistic view of things shaped by our emotional states and keep pushing that through blindly against logic. The unwavering delusions keystone is killing this game and if you all think Im a twat for calling that out I dont care, because its true and someone needs to be that twat if anything that we discuss on these forums is to have any validity.

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grant_m wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I dont agree at all, it used to be very difficult to actually acquire game breaking gear. My character in Rampage was as powerful in the first 5 days of the league as my standard characters were after 10 months of playing that league, thats how much they have nuked their game. Looking at your character list your highest level character is 72, so unless Im missing something you havent even really played endgame to talk about such things from experience.

Well, I guess you've reached the true end of the game. It's over for you, so the next best step is to ruin it for everyone else also?

You said yourself that you breeze through the game solo, self found naked, without using crafting, so the masters addition is a non-factor for you anyway. Why do you even care?

It's probably best just to face up to being the greatest player the game has ever known, and retire as a legend. Hopefully you can find something else that challenges you.

If people like him that has learnt the game and now mows content even BEFORE the FM crafting suddenly finds that the game has been made a lot, and I mean a loooot easier to destroy now with these ez mode multiple bench on wepaon bullshit, it kinda breaks the game's design and impression, also the reason why people play this good game from the start, that it is suppose to be hard to get gg at Wheres the struggle when your core item(400 dps ambusher lets say) which makes your game-breaking build function like a god is now benchcraftable multiple times and can now reach near the top dps giants that were crafted by the rarest of rare orbs?

I agree mostly with your OP about FM breaking the game. I have played since closed beta and I have never found a rare myself as good as I am seeing being crafted so easily. The worst culprit is definitely the multiple mods one. That mod should never have existed.

The cost to craft is so extremely low on all levels. Choosing a mod to put on is, what, 1/100 or less than the cost it would take by Eternaling and then Exalting until you get what you want? FM broke the entire crafting system.

But let's talk about if we have no choice to have masters and what changes should have been made from the get go.

The players who have spammed their guilds and chats to spam master quests are definitely so far ahead of the normal players who just use dailies and randomly found masters on their own. They instantly make items that no one but the absolute luckiest will find on their own or traditional crafters who spent many magnitudes more than it cost to use masters. This is not a damn MMO where there are crafters who give out their services for a fee. Don't make this a daily quest grind like WoW. I left those games for a reason.

Every player should have relatively easy access to ALL crafting. This stupid daily grind that only exists in mmo's should never exist in an aprg. By the time we are 80ish, through normal game play we all should have access the level 8 FM crafting. Maybe some will lag due to rng of not getting specific masters quest, but the point is FM leveling should not be a 4+ month grind for a NORMAL player.

And since it's already out the costs for crafting should stay the same. Can't make it cheap then expensive all of a sudden.

Are you seriously kidding me that before getting masters to 8 a normal player (who does not spam tradechat and guilds and begs everyone and their mother to share their masters quests) can actually get to 100 first? And yes, people who have purely concentrated on levelling and not spamming masters have gotten 100 before all their masters are 8.

Not only were FM a mistake, there were mistakes made once they were implemented.

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OJ8_Graz wrote:

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grant_m wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I dont agree at all, it used to be very difficult to actually acquire game breaking gear. My character in Rampage was as powerful in the first 5 days of the league as my standard characters were after 10 months of playing that league, thats how much they have nuked their game. Looking at your character list your highest level character is 72, so unless Im missing something you havent even really played endgame to talk about such things from experience.

Well, I guess you've reached the true end of the game. It's over for you, so the next best step is to ruin it for everyone else also?

You said yourself that you breeze through the game solo, self found naked, without using crafting, so the masters addition is a non-factor for you anyway. Why do you even care?

It's probably best just to face up to being the greatest player the game has ever known, and retire as a legend. Hopefully you can find something else that challenges you.

If people like him that has learnt the game and now mows content even BEFORE the FM crafting suddenly finds that the game has been made a lot, and I mean a loooot easier to destroy now with these ez mode multiple bench on wepaon bullshit, it kinda breaks the game's design and impression, also the reason why people play this good game from the start, that it is suppose to be hard to get gg at Wheres the struggle when your core item(400 dps ambusher lets say) which makes your game-breaking build function like a god is now benchcraftable multiple times and can now reach near the top dps giants that were crafted by the rarest of rare orbs?

You bored of a build because its too easy? Reroll.

Don't want to use FM crafts bcause too easy? Do the Only Blues challenge.

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Haderach99 wrote:

I agree mostly with your OP about FM breaking the game. I have played since closed beta and I have never found a rare myself as good as I am seeing being crafted so easily.

exactly mate. Its not just that I have never found a rare weapon as good as those, I have never found a rare weapon that even comes within a million lightyears of those weapons in 1000s upon 1000s upon 1000s of hours play. Going on my experience so far Id say if you played this game for 20,000 hours you would still be highly unlikely to find a weapon like that, even approaching that good. Grinding Gear Games? Might want to rebrand to Grinding Masters Games if they are going to just completely invalidate actually looting rare items like this.

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Vincendra wrote:

You bored of a build because its too easy? Reroll.

Don't want to use FM crafts bcause too easy? Do the Only Blues challenge.

well vince why dont they just sell 6 linked shavs and kaoms hearts for a chaos each in act1 normal and if you dont like it just dont buy them? You would have no problem with that right? Come on man, this is a community game and in order to function as such it has to have integrity.

How about if you dont want to play a game with actual challenge you just buy the fireworks and win before you kill the zombie in act1 normal?

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Vincendra wrote:

You bored of a build because its too easy? Reroll.

Don't want to use FM crafts bcause too easy? Do the Only Blues challenge.

well vince why dont they just sell 6 linked shavs and kaoms hearts for a chaos each in act1 normal and if you dont like it just dont buy them? You would have no problem with that right? Come on man, this is a community game and in order to function as such it has to have integrity.

How about if you dont want to play a game with actual challenge you just buy the fireworks and win before you kill the zombie in act1 normal?

Having an easy progression =/= free loot. I am atm playing in beayond with the "only blues" challenge and I am having a blast playing it.