CI crit Lightning strike or Reave?

Hey guys, lately I tried Lightning strike and Reave with my crit CI dagger build.
Everybody plays DS or Reave, nobody plays LS, but why? DS is crap cos of zero clear speed. But why nobody plays Lightning strike? It has higher dps than Reave and imo much higher clear speed plus versatility ranged/melee. I tried both in theory and maps with the same build. The only way to make Reave to do higher dmg is using Concentrated effect, which had zero clear speed.

These are the links I tried:
LS-multi-melee on full-mphys-inc crit dmg-lmp
Reave-fa-multi-mphys-melee on full-inc crit dmg-conc/inc aoe

So the question is, why everybody uses Reave instead of LS?

if u want to avoid every reflect pack and skip this mod on maps - do LS build

I've done Lightning Strike in Ambush/Invasion time, so it might be outdated with tree.

Tbh, it's a terrible skill in its current state, you might aswell use Molten Strike because you'll get more out of it.

Lightning Strike gives you a feeling of being a ranged character, but you're not, that's the problem with the skill.

The Projectiles doesn't shotgun, so hitting a mob will only hit with 1 of the lightning bolts, instead of all of them, however it'd be beyond broken if they all hit.

If you DO want to make a good use of LS, go Pierce with Crit, I found that's the best way of using that skill.

Overall I think GGG should just sit down and look at some of the never used Skills:
- Lightning Strike
- Shock Nova (The grey zone where it doesn't hit, is incorrect in so many ways)

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ggrambo wrote:

if u want to avoid every reflect pack and skip this mod on maps - do LS build

Im sitting at 200k dps (7600es) with 20/20 gems and dont care about any mods in maps while facerolling through. Even did double ref zana map before acuity and I was fine. U must be pretty wrong with this statement.

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Derpey wrote:

I've done Lightning Strike in Ambush/Invasion time, so it might be outdated with tree.

Tbh, it's a terrible skill in its current state, you might aswell use Molten Strike because you'll get more out of it.

Lightning Strike gives you a feeling of being a ranged character, but you're not, that's the problem with the skill.

The Projectiles doesn't shotgun, so hitting a mob will only hit with 1 of the lightning bolts, instead of all of them, however it'd be beyond broken if they all hit.

If you DO want to make a good use of LS, go Pierce with Crit, I found that's the best way of using that skill.

Overall I think GGG should just sit down and look at some of the never used Skills:
- Lightning Strike
- Shock Nova (The grey zone where it doesn't hit, is incorrect in so many ways)

Thanks for great comment! Havent tried pierce yet since i have 20q which gives me 60% pierce already and I mostly offscreen few packs behind the pack I originally attacked. THB this is the reason why I changed my Reave to LS. The clear speed is insane. The only downside Ive found is a bit lower single target at Atziri, but still she goes down pretty fast anyway when I have 200k dps.

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nikeyla wrote:

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Derpey wrote:

I've done Lightning Strike in Ambush/Invasion time, so it might be outdated with tree.

Tbh, it's a terrible skill in its current state, you might aswell use Molten Strike because you'll get more out of it.

Lightning Strike gives you a feeling of being a ranged character, but you're not, that's the problem with the skill.

The Projectiles doesn't shotgun, so hitting a mob will only hit with 1 of the lightning bolts, instead of all of them, however it'd be beyond broken if they all hit.

If you DO want to make a good use of LS, go Pierce with Crit, I found that's the best way of using that skill.

Overall I think GGG should just sit down and look at some of the never used Skills:
- Lightning Strike
- Shock Nova (The grey zone where it doesn't hit, is incorrect in so many ways)

Thanks for great comment! Havent tried pierce yet since i have 20q which gives me 60% pierce already and I mostly offscreen few packs behind the pack I originally attacked. THB this is the reason why I changed my Reave to LS. The clear speed is insane. The only downside Ive found is a bit lower single target at Atziri, but still she goes down pretty fast anyway when I have 200k dps.

The problem is really it makes your melee character, into a ranged character.
What's the fucking point.

LS if you want to destroy your GPU

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sanleon wrote:

LS if you want to destroy your GPU

Good point :D

ooh you have acuity -> lol that item makes you able to play any mod without any problems yes.

but your right without it reave is even more problematic on the reflect front then LS.

for normal players it comes down to what can i handle and what not (reflect) and for me reave always starts having issues with reflect once i get a 6L and like 50-70k dmg in a temporary league.

and LS didnt made any problems at all -> simply put in LMP/GMP and max out piercing chance and nothing can reach you.

for the threadopener -> i played a LS/MS build last league and now i play a reave build. i love both and they feel different.

on LS i simply use MS gem on single bosses that works wonders (its strong enough even without point blank and projectile scaling in a crit dagger build) and on normaly mobs i use LS because of the killing speed.

for the other dude -> if you dont like it dont play it! we all have prefered skills we use (im sure you have that to) and some we dont (i hate spec throw for example but love power siphon -> both ranged well...i cannot say why)

Thanks for the opinions. Im trying to figure out which skill to use because Im gonna buy mirrored regalia and need to know the colours, but seems LS is better overall. Both gems seems great, but I personally like LS more because of the clear speed, versatility in dangerous situations and reflect is fine. But the fact everybody plays Reave makes it hard to decide.

Maybe I could try some 77+ maps with Reave before I wont be able to change the chest colours, but I cant rly imagine doing 79 map trio with pure melee skill like Reave. Not easy decision:X