I really want to take PoE seriously

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Startkabels wrote:

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Noobshock wrote:

And the fact that it's an expected consequence of the prediction model (read b15h09's quoting Chris here if you need any convincing) is precisely why it can't and won't be fixed.

The only way to eliminate the random jittery behavior would be to make rubberbanding sooo aggressive (sync checks all the time) that you pretty much may as well switch to the MOBA/RTS model in terms of netcode. Which they don't want to, and won't do because $$$.

You obviously don't know what desync means. Desync simply IS and cannot be "fixed", only reduced. GGG didn't plan to have a desync issue like you're trying to suggest.

Any system whether it is simular to other games or the system GGG picked, has desync. The difference is the way desync manifests itself.

What needs to be fixed is too much desync by reducing it.

I recommend reading Chris' post again more carefully...

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Noobshock wrote:

Quoting Chris from dev manifesto here:

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Suggesting we switch to a synchronous action model like RTS/MOBA games really isn't a good solution. I understand that RTSs/MOBAs don't have desync, but they do have lag after each and every click. When the semantic is that you're ordering a unit around, this lag is understandable, but if you *are* the unit, then it feels really terrible. Right now, our client-prediction allows users in obscure countries to play Path of Exile while under 200+ms of latency. This would be a much worse experience under that alternate action model. In addition, it'd require rewriting most of the game.

I really, really question whether minimal input lag "feels" worse than a game where you're rubberbanding 3 times in a row because the paths your client found each time don't actually exist serverside, causing you to die because the game conveys a game state which is inaccurate at all times. In MOBAs, you are the unit too. Most of them feel a lot better to play than this POS prediction model. Go play League of Legends Chris. You may not like the game, but it sure feels better to control your unit than the random shit you experience all the time in PoE.

Basically I think Chris is just giving us excuses to cover for the fact that the RTS/MOBA model requires more servers/bandwidth and therefore money, also rewriting a lot of code. You could just say the game has to desync and rubberband because they couldn't afford to build it better, it'd be more honest than that mile-long essay trying to sell us a hands-down crappy design decision.

Also, the argument that it's somehow better to have a game that's more random and broken for everyone so that "people in obscure countries" can play with low latency is hilarious.

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Lonesome_Longsong wrote:

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b15h09 wrote:

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Lonesome_Longsong wrote:

Yeah, not part of this game's design. So what's with all the offensive nodes in the skill web? Just eye candy?

Largely eye candy and noob traps, yes.

Not saying you can't splurge on a few as you work through the tree (often better than stats, at least), or pick up a great offensive keystones. The basic mechanics of the game require you to heavily invest defensively, due to the way gear scales with defensive passives, and the sheer amount of damage that you'll encounter as you progress through the game.

And I'm going to end my spontaneous revisit to this game and its forums with this: to have such a huge, lovely skill web just to neuter it with this sort of mindset is the epitome of dumbfuckery.

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DeviantLightning wrote:

Buying no defenses at all isn't glass cannon. If your defenses doesn't reasonably buy you enough time to sweep or escape trash your build is not good.

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D3 doesn't desync because it lacks hoards of monsters and doorways. If you gather enough enemies into a small space, it desyncs as well. You do have to force it though for the most part.

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Startkabels wrote:

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Noobshock wrote:

And the fact that it's an expected consequence of the prediction model (read b15h09's quoting Chris here if you need any convincing) is precisely why it can't and won't be fixed.

The only way to eliminate the random jittery behavior would be to make rubberbanding sooo aggressive (sync checks all the time) that you pretty much may as well switch to the MOBA/RTS model in terms of netcode. Which they don't want to, and won't do because $$$.

You obviously don't know what desync means. Desync simply IS and cannot be "fixed", only reduced. GGG didn't plan to have a desync issue like you're trying to suggest.

Any system whether it is simular to other games or the system GGG picked, has desync. The difference is the way desync manifests itself.

What needs to be fixed is too much desync by reducing it.

I recommend reading Chris' post again more carefully...

You literally have no programming experience.


Desync in Path of Exile is a direct result of a multitude of things, one of them being design choice. They knew this was a problem that they would have to address (anyone whose done some basic network programming understands this), but obviously they were in way over their heads. The result is that their basic network foundation blows, which results in horrible gameplay. All because of a few design choices.

It is in a way GGG's fault for choosing to go with such a shitty prediction model. Only FPS/Fighting games use such a sync model, and that's mainly because these games are truly action, require pinpoint accuracy, etc. Most MOBA/RTS/ARPGs do not utilize the same model that GGG does (with exception of Diablo 3 who has the resources to essentially brute force their way to proper syncing).


Desyncing will never be fixed because they fucked up horrendously at the beginning. Everyone here who has a lick of programming experience knows it.

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Startkabels wrote:

Desync simply IS and cannot be "fixed", only reduced.

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Startkabels wrote:

You're right: Desync will never be fixed because desync does not need and cannot be fixed. What needs to be fixed is the problem desyncs in PoE are too large and occur too often.

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Startkabels wrote:

Whether I have programming experience is actually irrelevant. Your post I quoted only proves that also you don't understand what the word desync actually means. Desync is actually a good thing because it resyncs a client with the server. Without desync the client and the server would become more out of sync the longer you play.

Desync is not a result of the server client model GGG implemented. Desync would also be there with a model like D3 uses.

The problem is that with the current model, large desyncs are occuring too often. That is what the problem is, not desync itself.

You're right: Desync will never be fixed because desync does not need and cannot be fixed. What needs to be fixed is the problem desyncs in PoE are too large and occur too often.

Yes anybody who has some technical experience is able to understand this, you obviously don't...