[2.0.0] maxBo's SplitArrow/Frenzy Guide (new lvl77 Shrine Vid, HC Viable))

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feyith wrote:

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maxboo wrote:

You need about 8 Points to spec into influence + charisma and what comes out? You cant barely sustain mana with 2 Auras. You also would need Alphas howl where you have no +Life suffix!

Not flaming, I'm just not understanding how you have mana issues when you have leech and good physical damage. I'm running 3 auras without Alpha's Howl and never run out. Since my resists come from auras, I can put other stuff on my gear.

With 2 Auras and the Aura-Nodes i had about 100-200 mana left....With the attackspeed boost from Frenzy charges i couldnt sustain my mana completly...dont know why...it was so :D

you profit 75% resis only from auras? O doubt that :D

maybe the Point of "Use Auras or not" is just based on gear and personal preferences :)

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feyith wrote:

If you're worried about attack speed, the OP uses a Lioneye's and Frenzy.

Yeah ofc, that mirrored harbinger bow would be insane for CoC + EK but it is just not affordable for casuals like me.

We compensate the ~30Crit-Chance with high Attackspeed (Frenzy Charges, LG) and high dmg from SA itself

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maxboo wrote:

Most Important Outcomes:
- +268% Life
- Average CC ~30%
- +250% increase physical and projectile dmg (affects EK + SA)

Not sure how you get 250%, I see 176% bow + 39% proj + 4% phys = 219%. Also only the 39% and 4% would apply to EK, dont think any "bow damage" stuff applies to it. With IR and Lioneye's, definitely gotta have issues vs phys reflect. Overall pretty similar though to my build here, which I tried with lioneye's as well and it was pretty nice but felt better with 50% crit vs 30%.

I'm giving this a try right now. Around level 37 right now.
I did have a little bit of trouble with mana early on, but equipped a Wurm's Molt belt for the mana/life leech. It helped a lot until I hit 31 and could finally use the life leech and mana leech gems.

While leveling, Frenzy linked with Life on Hit works great for those single-target mobs. Also, Poison Arrow is good to level with alongside SA until SA doesn't become so mana intensive around 31. Still use PA to help with a little bit of AoE damage.

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deadb0lt wrote:

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maxboo wrote:

Most Important Outcomes:
- +268% Life
- Average CC ~30%
- +250% increase physical and projectile dmg (affects EK + SA)

Not sure how you get 250%, I see 176% bow + 39% proj + 4% phys = 219%. Also only the 39% and 4% would apply to EK, dont think any "bow damage" stuff applies to it. With IR and Lioneye's, definitely gotta have issues vs phys reflect. Overall pretty similar though to my build here, which I tried with lioneye's as well and it was pretty nice but felt better with 50% crit vs 30%.

It is a overall of +254% Increase DMG look closer. SRY I wasn't clear at this point, I will change that. OFC the 210%Bow affects only the SplittArrow and the 39%Projectiles and 4%physical affects EK and SA. This build is for typical SA Rangers if you want to you can take off CoC and EK and put other gems into it. You can also play with LA, with this buuld you are very flexible. ;) Chain + IR + 270% Life increase + CWDT is pretty much defensive, but as i wrote reflect is ALWAYS a kind of issue....except for voltacix user etc. And this build is not very similar to yours...your build was one of the reasons I posted my superior build here...not flaming bro <3 :D

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Havarti wrote:

I'm giving this a try right now. Around level 37 right now.
I did have a little bit of trouble with mana early on, but equipped a Wurm's Molt belt for the mana/life leech. It helped a lot until I hit 31 and could finally use the life leech and mana leech gems.

While leveling, Frenzy linked with Life on Hit works great for those single-target mobs. Also, Poison Arrow is good to level with alongside SA until SA doesn't become so mana intensive around 31. Still use PA to help with a little bit of AoE damage.

Nice to hear. OFC CoC + EK does not very well in the leveling Progress....just go Poison Arrow, RoA, SA or SA. If you are lvl75+ and have the required equip later on, you might give SA + CoC + EK a try :)

Remember: You can always be a typical Physical-Crit-Ranger with standard attacks like SA or Lightning Arrow...no need for CoC + EK but since it is imba we use it :D

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maxboo wrote:

And this build is not very similar to yours...your build was one of the reasons I posted my superior build here...not flaming bro <3 :D

Maxboo, I don't think you quite understand the point of Deadb0lt's build, which you should really understand something before you go about calling it inferior and trying to fix what isn't broken about it.

Running with the mana ball at "nearly empty" doesn't matter as long as it is sustainable, which it is, and mana regen actually tends to go way up in a parties, not down.

You're welcome to your own personal opinions and play style but it's very rude and silly to think they're "better" than anyone else's.

Just call it "Maxboo's Build" or whatever instead of criticizing other people's and you'd probably get a lot better response.

didn want to go rude sry :) But calling this build similar to his is very rude :D .... and I understood his build I just didn like it...but thats all personal preferences :) :)

Maybe I'm bit arrogant sry...this topic didn was suppose to be offensive ...everythings cool :) keep looking forward for further feedback

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feyith wrote:

I think the biggest problem with Quill Rain is you really need enough life and mana on hit to make it work. I don't understand what you mean by this:

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Kaskar wrote:

currently my crit-meter shows me ~1.8 crits per second with full frenzy charges, assuming power charges changing from 0 to 5 being around 2.5 for purpose of calculation. If I'll pick Harbinger bow with good stats there will be ~2 cps maximum, so I'm not getting it.

Something I noticed in your video is those single target mobs get too close to you. Just give this a try: grab a Harbinger bow off the ground and craft with it. Even something crummy will make you proc EK the same number of times per second due to the increased crit chance and give you way higher base DPS than your Quill Rain, especially against singles. If you're worried about attack speed, the OP uses a Lioneye's and Frenzy.

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The formulas used in this calculation are pretty accurate. Even using Harbinger bow with 8.35 crit (I saw recently going around few chaos at poe.xyz) the crits per second factor is the same. Maybe DPS raises but I lose EK radius due to Projectile Speed bonus loss. Also don't forget to include +125 average % from 5 charges.

All cool I don't care about one being superior vs the other, the reason I said both are similar is because they both aren't using the traditional Quill Rain CoC setup I've seen a few times. I never focused on relying on SA or Frenzy damage by itself that's why running power charges helps tremendously. Trying to link just SA + Faster Attacks + Phys Dmg etc in my setup, even with a Lioneyes, was kinda mediocre compared to the amount of EK procs I get using a higher crit base bow.

I'd also call my setup more HC viable if I were to grab more life nodes and run Purity of Lightning for more mitigation through lightning coil, and I'd feel safe to say its more defensive (esp phys reflect, my only video eases through it).