Maps, Affixes, Risk:Reward and You

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entropus wrote:

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Lyralei wrote:

If you have an issue with it, please go make your own feedback thread about this. I am not here to address map drop frequency. I am here to talk about rewarding players who do difficult mods.

I was just wondering... Shouldn't there be a bonus to experience gained for doing a hard map... ? It makes perfect sense to me, as players want to gain, from a map, three things:
Maps
Loot
Experience points

The first two rewards are addressed by the map IIQ coming from mods, while the third reward is not.

That can be a point for consideration. Hard makes sometimes take up to twice the time to do, particularly at higher levels. Currently, EXP gain is obviously skewered in favour of the Hordes/Labyrinthine/Massive affixes.

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Lyralei wrote:

EXP gain is obviously skewered in favour of the Hordes/Labyrinthine/Massive affixes.

Which is especially ironic, since the easiest (available at lowest character and gear level) affixes provide the most XP, while the hardest affixes provide the least.

I know it sounds extreme, but every map affix that grants +IIQ deserves a matching +XP bonus. Seriously.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Lyralei wrote:

EXP gain is obviously skewered in favour of the Hordes/Labyrinthine/Massive affixes.

Which is especially ironic, since the easiest (available at lowest character and gear level) affixes provide the most XP, while the hardest affixes provide the least.

I know it sounds extreme, but every map affix that grants +IIQ deserves a matching +XP bonus. Seriously.

I wanted to suggest exactly the same thing...

As a solo evasion melee player the dangerous affixes are not at all the same as for the average elemental/armor/life stacking player. Chaining, LMP and other projectile mods do almost nothing to me as i have Arrow dodging and run solo. So its very hard to make these bonuses balanced for all builds and situations.

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Bibba wrote:

As a solo evasion melee player the dangerous affixes are not at all the same as for the average elemental/armor/life stacking player. Chaining, LMP and other projectile mods do almost nothing to me as i have Arrow dodging and run solo. So its very hard to make these bonuses balanced for all builds and situations.

The affix combinations are dangerous in general. There will always be certain combinations that are deadlier to groups than they are to solo players and vice versa.

It isn't necessary to make ideally balanced rewards for all builds because this is never the case. What does need to be done is a general sweep through to identify how and where lacking areas within the affix system are and to remedy it.

Thank you to those who have contributed so far, I look forward to more fruitful discussion on this!

I feel that the removal of area size / pack size / maze / +magic monsters and other mods that do not make the maps more difficult but add multiplicative item quantity (due to more monsters) would be a huge step in the right direction. Seriously, remove the 'mandatory' mods.

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thepmrc wrote:

Seriously, remove the 'mandatory' mods.

Or just nerf them until they aren't mandatory anymore. Which is preferable; we need as much map variety as possible.

I like this idea. Anything to steer away from the mandatory maze/champions would be a HUGE improvement.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Seriously, remove the 'mandatory' mods.

Or just nerf them until they aren't mandatory anymore. Which is preferable; we need as much map variety as possible.

how would you suggest 'nerfing' them?

and what would be the point?

I guess you could make them give -% quality in an attempt to balance them, but they seem so very unnecessary as they don't actually add ANY variety. More of the same is not variety, and that is exactly what these mods are, the same shit just more of it.