Shock Nova in 0.11.0

To fix a problem the Devs must recognize the problem. So far I don't think they consider Shocking Nova to be problematic.

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CanHasPants wrote:

This is one of the few skills that I believe is perfect as is, and requires no rebalancing at all.

So you believe it has comparable clearing efficiency to Spork, FP and EK?

I actually don't mind the deadzone except for desync, but I was under the impression that the raw DPS and mana cost numbers weren't competitive either.

How about it works like razors lightning nova from Dota? It expands outward, then contracts back inward, and deals more damage at the outer reaches.

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aimlessgun wrote:

the raw DPS and mana cost numbers weren't competitive either.

The mana cost is still pretty bad despite being reduced recently.

The damage is a little low (as with all aoes) since they assume that all parts of the nova are doing damage at the same time. If you were actually surrounded (and making the most out of shock nova), you'd be dead before you knew it.

It's not a projectile and can't get the free 1.5x damage multiplier from Chain, nor the 2.5x damage multiplier from GMP (in the case of FP). The only thing it gets is the 1.69x damage multiplier from Concentrated Effect and you'll be even more likely to die in melee.

So what's left for it? Spreading shock mostly. qual SN + qual eleprolif + qual added lightning + increased aoe, then use something else for damage.

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Here's to hoping they look at support balance some day.

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pneuma wrote:

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aimlessgun wrote:

the raw DPS and mana cost numbers weren't competitive either.

The mana cost is still pretty bad despite being reduced recently.

The damage is a little low (as with all aoes) since they assume that all parts of the nova are doing damage at the same time. If you were actually surrounded (and making the most out of shock nova), you'd be dead before you knew it.

It's not a projectile and can't get the free 1.5x damage multiplier from Chain, nor the 2.5x damage multiplier from GMP (in the case of FP). The only thing it gets is the 1.69x damage multiplier from Concentrated Effect and you'll be even more likely to die in melee.

So what's left for it? Spreading shock mostly. qual SN + qual eleprolif + qual added lightning + increased aoe, then use something else for damage.

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Here's to hoping they look at support balance some day.

The damage is massive on it dude, with a decent gear you get to ridiculous amount of light damage on shock nova, but youc ant do that damage casue of the damn dead zone, they just have to remove it..

One issue with that is that mobs will have it and it will be a hug disadvantage to melee players. If it gets changed there need to be a different version for mobs/ ai and players.

Eh, just add blind to the inner radius. If you don't have to worry nearly as much about being hit because something desynced inside your damage radius, the skill will be viable again, and you're not changing the fact that it's still a more mobile skill than frost nova. You still have to get away from monsters that make it inside, you just have more time to do it.

Make it so enemies in the deadzone are knocked back.

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VictorDoom wrote:

The damage is massive on it dude, with a decent gear you get to ridiculous amount of light damage on shock nova, but youc ant do that damage casue of the damn dead zone, they just have to remove it..

Level 20 Shock Nova: 35-656 (avg. 363), 44 mana, base 4 crit
- Only multiplicative support is Conc. Effect, far too dangerous in melee

Compare with:

Level 20 Ethereal Knives: 528-791 (avg. 623.5), 51 mana, base 5 crit
- Can use Added Fire and Chain for multiplicative supports, Hatred for a multiplicative aura

Level 20 Freezing Pulse: 194–291 (avg. 242.5), 23 mana, base 6 crit
- Can use GMP for 2.5x for a multiplicative support, quality lets it hit the whole screen

Level 20 Spark: 32-600 DE50% (avg. 158) * 3 projectiles, 29 mana, base 6 crit
- Can use Chain and/or Fork for multiplicative supports, hits around corners.

Level 20 Fireball: 297-446 (avg. 371.5), 32 mana, base 6 crit
- Can use GMP and Chain/Conc.Effect for multiplicative supports, needs to be more popular
- Also Searing Touch is BiS starting at level 13.

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I'd say the damage is sufficient, but it's not massive.

Nearly every other hard-casting spell outdoes it in terms of sheer damage and damage/mana unless you're hitting a whole nova of enemies around you, and Power Charge Discharge puts Shock Nova to absolute shame if you include AoE efficiency.

I still feel Shock Nova is usable due to its niche as best shock-status applier (damage not really considered). For example, I consider it the best "attack" for non-Conduit summoner builds.