Arcane Surge shannanigans

Today its the Arcane Blessing Forbidden Flame/Flesh Combo that gives me headache.
Its supposed to increase my dps by 20% due to Arcane Surge.



But i already have it linked to my Skill.



And as you see its massive for my damage.
But when i deactivate it in the Config, Arcane Blessing increased my dps by just 29%.
Makes no sense to me.

Do i keep the support gem or not?

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LoTharios#3338 wrote:

Do i keep the support gem or not?

Going to preface my post with this:
I'm not good for making builds, so I'm not trying to pass judgment on whether the gem is worth it for your build.

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LoTharios#3338 wrote:

Today its the Arcane Blessing Forbidden Flame/Flesh Combo that gives me headache.
Its supposed to increase my dps by 20% due to Arcane Surge.

But i already have it linked to my Skill.

And as you see its massive for my damage.

Arcane Surge Support grants supported skills more Spell Damage while your have Arcane Surge.
The gem is the source of the boost.

Arcane Blessing makes the Arcane Surge buff grant more Spell Damage to you (all spells).
The buff is the source of the boost.

So, when you have both, their bonuses are multiplicative with each other. They stack just fine.

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LoTharios#3338 wrote:

But when i deactivate it in the Config, Arcane Blessing increased my dps by just 29%.
Makes no sense to me.

When you deactivate Arcane Surge Support, you mean? Then as a source of Arcane Surge, Arcane Blessing is not only giving you 20% more Spell Damage but also access to the Arcane Surge buff's 20% increased Cast Speed.

Forbidden Flesh/Flame claims: gain Arcane Surge
So in my logic it means i can get rid of the support gem.

But at the samt time, i dont know what level it grants.
It could be that the support jewel enhances it a little or is completely useless.

Thats the issue.

Arcane Blessing grants Arcane Surge: a buff that has no level, and no longer varies in magnitude based on its source.

3.16.0 Patch Notes:

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Player Balance
The Arcane Surge Buff now provides 20% increased Cast Speed (previously 10%).

Support Gem Changes
Arcane Surge: Supported Skills now deal 14-35% more Spell Damage while you have Arcane Surge at gem levels 1-20 (previously 10-25%). Arcane Surge now grants 30% increased Mana Regeneration rate and 20% increased Cast Speed at all gem levels (previously 30-58% and 10-20% at gem levels 1-20 respectively).

Aside from granting access to the Arcane Surge buff, Arcane Surge Support grants more Spell Damage to the supported skill while you have the buff.

So since the support gem grants also 35% more spell damage wich i assume is additive i keep it, right?

Arcane Surge is a buff with its own properties, comparable to something like Onslaught.

Arcane Surge support ALSO grants you additional more spell damage while you have the base Arcane Surge buff.

Arcane Blessing grants you yet another buff while you have arcane surge, and furthermore allows for activation of arcane surge without needing the support gem.



What you need to decide:
Level 20 Arcane Surge Support yields 35% MORE spell damage, only for the linked spell. It is a 130% mana multiplier.

Gaining the arcane surge buff is no longer an issue thanks to Arcane Blessing.

Is there another support you could use that may result in MORE than 35% damage? I can almost guarantee you there is, because most builds don't run arcane surge support (although its still pretty good).

If you are referring to your PBoD Inquisitor, both Awakened Added Lightning and Awakened Lightning Penetration will both yield better damage than Arcane Surge support. I'm sure there are others as well.