What makes melee bad

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darticus wrote:

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Eternallight wrote:

Yeah, I can agree on melee weapons being unbalanced, but only if you are pure-phy. Ele melee just worries about ats/acc, and the shadow types worry about crit and the claw effects, but a pure damage melee weapon is pretty pointless, other than the BIS unique atm.

You act as if anyone worth their salt uses claws.

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Eternallight wrote:

So I know there has been a MAAAAAAASSIVE number of these, but I think what makes melee bad has very little to do with the armor/health/taking damage.

I feel it has to do with two huge factors.

Bad targeting: A number of times you can click on or right next to enemies and just run in circles around them rather than attacking with a single target skill (or attack the air)

Kiting: Enemy ranged types will kite you, and always seem to run faster than you when the kite effect triggers (they outrun me at +79% move speed) yet will never kite/dodge the ranged players.

I dont have trouble staying alive, even in end game maps, but damn it takes so long to fight things because of all the running around ;x

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nGio wrote:

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Eternallight wrote:

So I know there has been a MAAAAAAASSIVE number of these, but I think what makes melee bad has very little to do with the armor/health/taking damage.

I feel it has to do with two huge factors.

Bad targeting: A number of times you can click on or right next to enemies and just run in circles around them rather than attacking with a single target skill (or attack the air)

Kiting: Enemy ranged types will kite you, and always seem to run faster than you when the kite effect triggers (they outrun me at +79% move speed) yet will never kite/dodge the ranged players.

I dont have trouble staying alive, even in end game maps, but damn it takes so long to fight things because of all the running around ;x

Nope. It's the armor/health/taking damage. Every SUCCESSFUL melee char is either wearing Kaom's, a shield, or both. I have a melee Duelist that runs dual weapons. No Kaom's. No shield. I have 60% damage reduction, 80 all res, 3k life, 10k dps, and 18% Life Leech. I get FOLDED IN HALF in maps. Even with 60% damage reduction, all it takes is 1 damage spike and I'm gone. The problem is that you go PURE Life Nodes, and stack armor and res, and it still isn't enough. I shouldn't need 7k health and 90% damage reduction to take 2-3 hits. The damage design is stupid, and it's lazy.

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deadlylag wrote:

I'm not wearing Kaom's heart but am using a shield tho.

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Jayburner wrote:

Is my Lightning strike maurader considered melee? I still do lots of face tanking.

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nGio wrote:

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deadlylag wrote:

I'm not wearing Kaom's heart but am using a shield tho.

So yeah, exactly what I said then right? One of those 2 items is absolutely necessary for a SUCCESSFUL build, and even with one or both of them, melee is still beyond inferior. All the diversity in this game goes out the window in Cruel. You realize fast that Health Nodes, shields, and an early eye on Kaom's is all that matters. People don't play LA or FP just to be cookie cutter. They play those builds because the game is absolute shit when it comes to diversity. D3 was more diverse than this shit.

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deadlylag wrote:

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nGio wrote:

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deadlylag wrote:

I'm not wearing Kaom's heart but am using a shield tho.

So yeah, exactly what I said then right? One of those 2 items is absolutely necessary for a SUCCESSFUL build, and even with one or both of them, melee is still beyond inferior. All the diversity in this game goes out the window in Cruel. You realize fast that Health Nodes, shields, and an early eye on Kaom's is all that matters. People don't play LA or FP just to be cookie cutter. They play those builds because the game is absolute shit when it comes to diversity. D3 was more diverse than this shit.

I probably don't need shield. However shield give me good margin of error to work with. What is needed is charges. I can tank +10 lvl above me. Kill all mobs that do not do Chaos damage. I'm should be able to be immune to physical damage for the entire battle as long as I can keep my micro up. I can get 92% max on any elemental resist for a short time.

The main problem is Chaos damage.

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nGio wrote:

When you get to the point where the monsters are 10 levels BELOW you, and still able to shove your shield down your throat, you will see what we mean :/