Does Spell Echo actually helpful with skellie mages?

POB claims that it would be most helpful support gem to have. And show increase in DPS.
But when i equip it, all i see is original spell itself echoes, summoning skelles twice. But Skellie mages from what i observe still firing single projectile per cast.

Is it just spell echoes so fast that i can't notice second projectile? Or does POB simply wrong about spell echo support on that matter?
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Spell Echo works the same for them as it does for players. It's very, very noticeable how much faster they cast. It's also very easy to see their casts repeat, if you test with/without Echo somewhere you can see them and their animation clearly.
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Yeah it works for them. They cast a lot faster.

From my limited and not very scientific testing, it seems that the second cast is always targeted at the same point, meaning they often miss against anything moving at all. So... it may not be as good as a spreadsheet might say, depending on the boss.


Oh, notably, it does NOT work for the vaal version. Probably because if it did it'd have you double summon them, and they didn't feel like bothering making the effect still transfer to minions regardless.
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Last edited by kaijyuu2#0256 on Feb 27, 2021, 5:31:59 PM
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kaijyuu2 wrote:
Oh, notably, it does NOT work for the vaal version. Probably because if it did it'd have you double summon them, and they didn't feel like bothering making the effect still transfer to minions regardless.
It doesn't work for the Vaal version because Spell Echo Support doesn't support Vaal skills. Multistrike works the same way; regular skeletons will multistrike, but skeletons from Vaal Summon Skeletons will not. This seems like a bit of a logic error since these supports aren't supporting the skill summoning the skeletons, they're supporting the skill used by the skeletons. It's the reason you can support Summon Skeletons with e.g. Ruthless Support, even through Ruthless supports attacks and Summon Skeletons is a spell.
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kaijyuu2 wrote:
Yeah it works for them. They cast a lot faster.

From my limited and not very scientific testing, it seems that the second cast is always targeted at the same point, meaning they often miss against anything moving at all. So... it may not be as good as a spreadsheet might say, depending on the boss.


Oh, notably, it does NOT work for the vaal version. Probably because if it did it'd have you double summon them, and they didn't feel like bothering making the effect still transfer to minions regardless.


I mostly care about improving damage against bosses. Skellie mages sucks against clearing crown anyway, don't think you can really fix that with right gems.

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