Vaal Molten Shell not triggering via CWDT (level is correct)

Hi!

I've been running this setup for a while and I'm not new to this so i know this should work but it doesn't (i think).

I've been monitoring the triggers of my Cast When Damage Taken and i cannot see the non-vaal version of my Vaal Molten Shell triggering even though the flamability and immortal call are triggering no problem. I can manually cast Vaal Molten Shell no problem.



>check the levels noob
levels are correct

>check for conflicting triggers
no conflicting triggers

Does vaal molten shell no longer let its not-vaal version get triggered as part of CWDT? can someone link me the patch notes when this was changed?

is it just bugged?

P.S. related, but not really what i care about... i tested regular molten shell and it also doesnt seem to trigger with CWDT for me.
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gabotheplaya wrote:
Hi!

I've been running this setup for a while and I'm not new to this so i know this should work but it doesn't (i think).

I've been monitoring the triggers of my Cast When Damage Taken and i cannot see the non-vaal version of my Vaal Molten Shell triggering even though the flamability and immortal call are triggering no problem. I can manually cast Vaal Molten Shell no problem.



>check the levels noob
levels are correct

>check for conflicting triggers
no conflicting triggers

Does vaal molten shell no longer let its not-vaal version get triggered as part of CWDT? can someone link me the patch notes when this was changed?

is it just bugged?

P.S. related, but not really what i care about... i tested regular molten shell and it also doesnt seem to trigger with CWDT for me.

1) Vaal skills can't be triggered
2) You have Guard skill elsewhere.
They (Molten Shell is a Guard skill as well) share cooldown
That's why you don't see MS being triggered, other Guard skill steps forward
Remember, suffering is convenient.
That is why many people prefer it.
Happiness requires effort.
was trying to trigger the non-vaal portion of vaal molten shell and i remember running it just last league and it works.

this may be the first time i linked both immortal call and vaal molten shell, i'll test it out if separating the 2 makes it work.

Edit: verified, shared cooldown means they cannot trigger simultaneously, i have to get them on separate links then.

resolved.

thanks!
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Gabotheplaya
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Last edited by gabotheplaya#0244 on Jan 21, 2020, 6:12:33 AM
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gabotheplaya wrote:
Edit: verified, shared cooldown means they cannot trigger simultaneously, i have to get them on separate links then.


This won't work either, shared cooldown is global. You cannot have more than one Guard Skill (Immortal Call, Molten Shell, Steel Skin) active/in cooldown at the same time. While one Guard Skill is active or in cooldown you cannot trigger/cast another Guard Skill.
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tomay wrote:
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gabotheplaya wrote:
Edit: verified, shared cooldown means they cannot trigger simultaneously, i have to get them on separate links then.


This won't work either, shared cooldown is global. You cannot have more than one Guard Skill (Immortal Call, Molten Shell, Steel Skin) active/in cooldown at the same time. While one Guard Skill is active or in cooldown you cannot trigger/cast another Guard Skill.


good that i checked back on this thread.

that sucks, i was feeling the immortal call + molten shell covering my butt quite often. i dont want to waste my 20q IC getting overridden so i guess one really does have to go.

only question now is if i would rather have a panic button for lvl 20 MS.

thank you!
IGN:
Gabotheplaya
(or gabotheplaya since i'm not sure if caps count)
Your profile is hidden, so I cant check your build.

It looks very much like a strength stacking summoner.
If you can afford it, try to get a minion wand with an open suffix and craft "trigger a socketed skill when you use a skill".

I did that and socketed MoltenShell, desecrate and an Offering.
So each time I cast my flame dash or a curse, one of the socketed skills will be triggered (except for MS which might be on cooldown). But my offering is up pretty much all the time and I dont have to care about it at all.

Also comes with 3 more benefits compared to cwdt:
- you get to ignore cwdts lvl restrictions
- you dont need to get hit to trigger it
- since I dont have to have those 3 skills anymore, I dont need to reserve a slot on my skillbar for them, which is always an issue for summoners and allows me to put my vaal skills there.


just a thought
cheers
Last edited by Orbaal#0435 on Jan 21, 2020, 11:25:46 AM
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Orbaal wrote:
Your profile is hidden, so I cant check your build.

It looks very much like a strength stacking summoner.
If you can afford it, try to get a minion wand with an open suffix and craft "trigger a socketed skill when you use a skill".

I did that and socketed MoltenShell, desecrate and an Offering.
So each time I cast my flame dash or a curse, one of the socketed skills will be triggered (except for MS which might be on cooldown). But my offering is up pretty much all the time and I dont have to care about it at all.

Also comes with 3 more benefits compared to cwdt:
- you get to ignore cwdts lvl restrictions
- you dont need to get hit to trigger it
- since I dont have to have those 3 skills anymore, I dont need to reserve a slot on my skillbar for them, which is always an issue for summoners and allows me to put my vaal skills there.


just a thought
cheers


i think i made it public now.

i play SSF exclusively (hate the "grind currency to win" mentality of trade league) so my setup may seem suboptimal but its a "brutus lead sprinkler warchief".

its not another molten strike jugg but its pattered closely to it. i wanted to try out some things... especially since i know the BIS maces arent possible in SSF.

630 str at the moment in case you have recommendations.

off-topic:
like many people i hate how meta str stacking summoners are, even though i failed my experiement of dex stacking ballista totem archer when i somehow got the key uniques and a 6-link for it... its just squishy as heck and i cant get top-end gear to make it comfy especially Astramentis.
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