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VP+Reflect

Reflect needs a rebalance after Vaal Pact changes.
Consider buffing Soul of Yugul Pantheon (25% reduced reflect damage taken) so most of the builds out there wont get one shotted in HC while mapping. Dont care about face tanking bosses and also dont like or dislike the vaal pact changes just a suggestion to keep alot of builds in the game!
Last edited by BizzaOSRS on Nov 20, 2017, 10:04:04 AM
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only builds that take their DPS to unreasonable levels can one-shot themselves vs reflect

cut down the DPS, use low-dmg setup for ofscreening, build any kind of defences vs your own damage (it is obvious, isnt it - you know what kills you yet you do what exactly?)

reflect is a speed bump this game needs. otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts

power creep 'we enjoy' ruins this game and reflect is one of the last obstacles before it all turns into clown fiesta clicker game
Just a example Iam oneshotting myself with my Windripper Character which has really low dps on reflect. It has full magic find gear and very few damage nodes.

People like you are the reason why the game will only allow low dps and hardcore safe builds in the future. Some people do like to go hard instead of bein casual all the time. You cant kill Endgame bosses like Shaper with low dps and even maps feel meh without high enough dps. Reflect isnt really a speed bump since almost every elemental focused build or selfcast spell build will get 1-2 shotted by reflect. Even a 5 linked Frost bolt character can kill himself pretty fast on reflect without vaal pact. If yo u dont believe me go and try playing a fresh dark pact character or any self caster...

Well seems like ill end up playing Summoner or a 4 linked self cast build like i did back in the beta with about 5k dps. Shouldnt be high enough to one shot myself.

The problem of Vaal pact was mainly face tanking shaper and guardians not surviving reflect since reflect is just way to overtuned for todays damage numbers the game has to keep up to date with his playerbase instead off nerving stuff without adjusting other mechanics which are effected by the nerfed mechanic.

I wont add anything else to this topic just wanted to leave a suggestion for GGG maybe some other people are up to discuss this ill be playing some other games.
Last edited by BizzaOSRS on Nov 18, 2017, 4:59:24 PM
one-shot is not 'several volleys of offscreening tornado shot'. it is not the same thing.

get some Evasion, youll notice the difference easily. it is this simple.
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sidtherat wrote:
only builds that take their DPS to unreasonable levels can one-shot themselves vs reflect

cut down the DPS, use low-dmg setup for ofscreening, build any kind of defences vs your own damage (it is obvious, isnt it - you know what kills you yet you do what exactly?)

reflect is a speed bump this game needs. otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts

power creep 'we enjoy' ruins this game and reflect is one of the last obstacles before it all turns into clown fiesta clicker game


Wow what shitty solution... Like really who on earth plays ARPGs to purposely gimp their characters? No one! No one plays games like this to make their characters weak.. The entire point of games like this it to progress your character to as powerful as possible.. An outdated mechanic is the issue here NOT that people need to start doing shit with their builds that defeats the entire point of playing the game. If damage is an issue GGG needs to make adjustments across the board then not make player make shit builds on purpose..

I mean seriously.. Have you ever done endgame content? Guardians? Shaper? Its quite obvious you have not because the only way that content is even possible is to push your damage as far as possible. While also retaining enough defenses to take a hit IDK what your idea of a glass cannon is but 6K+ life is hardly what i would call glass cannon.. Instant leech even requires a certain amount of life to survive the endgame fights..which is no more and Which also happens to be the best counter to Reflect besides outright immunity only available to 3 class's... So with what your saying is if you want to deal with reflect then just make builds that will NEVER have the chance to do all the content? Who the fuck would even play the game at that point? What would even be the point? Another fine example of the community being its own worst enemy..
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Last edited by BizzaOSRS on Apr 11, 2023, 8:06:43 AM
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sidtherat wrote:
otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts


You mean, as opposed to now?

Just remove reflect already. It's a stupid mechanic.
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Ceri wrote:
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sidtherat wrote:
otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts


You mean, as opposed to now?

Just remove reflect already. It's a stupid mechanic.


Adjusting it to be not as LETHAL and braindead as it is should be enough. But knowing GGG just removing it would be better though. It just kills to many builds without the old Vaal Pact even with it you had to wear a sybils(which sometimes isnt enough) if you werent playing a Scion.
Last edited by BizzaOSRS on Nov 18, 2017, 6:07:17 PM
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sidtherat wrote:
reflect is a speed bump this game needs. otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts


So you've never seen a spectre build with ~11k EHP, reflect immunity, and an ability to melt guardians in like 15 seconds while doing almost nothing?

Don't fool yourself - there will always be builds with insane clearspeed on SC. It's not going to change unless they raise XP loss to something like 50%.
Last edited by LaiTash on Nov 18, 2017, 7:02:35 PM
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sidtherat wrote:
only builds that take their DPS to unreasonable levels can one-shot themselves vs reflect

cut down the DPS, use low-dmg setup for ofscreening, build any kind of defences vs your own damage (it is obvious, isnt it - you know what kills you yet you do what exactly?)

reflect is a speed bump this game needs. otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts

power creep 'we enjoy' ruins this game and reflect is one of the last obstacles before it all turns into clown fiesta clicker game

What about all the builds that hit twice like ice shot/shrapnel shot which take way more damage then tornado shot? Reflect is already pretty crazy for ice shot and thats with vaal pact.
Last edited by Fhark on Nov 18, 2017, 7:19:18 PM

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