still questioning supporter pack values...

why does supporter packs still cost so much and the rewards not being high enough? don't you know people are more likely to spend money if they can get more for what they spend? i have allready spent alot of money, and honestly when i look at the value i spent i realized i spent a little bit to much... even if this is my favorite game and i want to support the developers i still want to get plenty of reward for it.

take my advice and TRY, if you don't generate the same amount of money then fine, rewert back to the original cost, no problem right?

edit: are we trying to sell produkts multiple times so we can buy everything? or are we trying to get more people to spend money to get more things for their purchase?
also this wasn't entirely my problem, as you can see i allready spent plenty of money on the game, i simple got the idea because sombody spoke about how the prices have NOT changed for a long time and how they are slightly overtuned, i realize that the game is going towards one direction but that doesn't mean there isn't space left for changes

Uh, what ? They already are a good value. Minotaur Pack as an example...

450 points = $45

Limited Armour set = ?/420 (You cant put a value on that but at the very minimum let use the 420 point sets as a minimum price). 420 points is an additional $42.

Limited Weapon Effect = ?/280 (Again, you cant put a value on a it, but if i were i would say minimum the Minotaur effect would cost around the Infernal effect. Its basically an "Earthquake" weapon effect). 280 points is an additional $28.

Limited Character Frame = ? (Theres nothing to compare this to because there are simply none purchasable at all).

Soundtrack = ? (Theres nothing to compare it to. If i had to give soundtracks an average price though for games id expect $5-10, thats generally how much i see them for on steam).

Total minimum value is around $120

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Uh, what ? They already are a good value. Minotaur Pack as an example...

450 points = $45

Limited Armour set = ?/420 (You cant put a value on that but at the very minimum let use the 420 point sets as a minimum price). 420 points is an additional $42.

Limited Weapon Effect = ?/280 (Again, you cant put a value on a it, but if i were i would say minimum the Minotaur effect would cost around the Infernal effect. Its basically an "Earthquake" weapon effect). 280 points is an additional $28.

Limited Character Frame = ? (Theres nothing to compare this to because there are simply none purchasable at all).

Soundtrack = ? (Theres nothing to compare it to. If i had to give soundtracks an average price though for games id expect $5-10, thats generally how much i see them for on steam).

Total minimum value is around $120

you do realize it's 45 dollar right? the same amount you could get a really good game for right? the same amount which could give you meals for days right? the same amount you could get tons of ingame contents on another game right? 45$ is the minimum supporter pack value and even then, you only get the goods from the pack itself and another 450 points for like an armour set. again that is still bad in one way or another.
also, why would you pay 440$ for the top tier supporter pack? you could probably buy a cheap computer for that...
at this point, there are allways things done wrong with the pricing of stuff in the shop and the points themself.

But those are call "supporters" packs .... it is supposed for people that want to support, the game, right ?

If PoE would have another business model ( 15$ / month for exampel ), you would need to pay 45$ per 3 month = per league.

Here you don't have too .... but you can if you want.

Then just don't buy them. I mean, it is as simple as that. :V

Sure you can buy a lot of food for many days - but one could argue you could spend 10% of what you are currently spending on your food, and still be alive, because you can eat the absolute minimum to survive. But I guess you are not doing this, right? Not to mention eating in restaurants.

Things cost premium for no reason, for a reason... welp.
The reason being people simply being willing to pay for them. If you are not - then don't. Lambos still sell, and no one is arguing about them not being very useful as a mean of everyday transportation (or a family car).

Personally, I'm holding of my supporter pack until I see the scope of changes in the future patch. More power creep is no-go for me.

Do i miss something ???
I buy supporter packs to donate to GGG that they are able to continue with this game, not to buy something. So i decide how much money i would spend to GGG that i can play this game longer... That GGG gives something additional back (cosmetics and so on), is only to say 'thank you'.
If you say it isn't worth to donate so much money, than don't do it.
And if you compare the Money to the things you get, don't Forget to add all new patches and new content...

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Uh, what ? They already are a good value. Minotaur Pack as an example...

450 points = $45

Limited Armour set = ?/420 (You cant put a value on that but at the very minimum let use the 420 point sets as a minimum price). 420 points is an additional $42.

Limited Weapon Effect = ?/280 (Again, you cant put a value on a it, but if i were i would say minimum the Minotaur effect would cost around the Infernal effect. Its basically an "Earthquake" weapon effect). 280 points is an additional $28.

Limited Character Frame = ? (Theres nothing to compare this to because there are simply none purchasable at all).

Soundtrack = ? (Theres nothing to compare it to. If i had to give soundtracks an average price though for games id expect $5-10, thats generally how much i see them for on steam).

Total minimum value is around $120

you do realize it's 45 dollar right? the same amount you could get a really good game for right? the same amount which could give you meals for days right? the same amount you could get tons of ingame contents on another game right? 45$ is the minimum supporter pack value and even then, you only get the goods from the pack itself and another 450 points for like an armour set. again that is still bad in one way or another.
also, why would you pay 440$ for the top tier supporter pack? you could probably buy a cheap computer for that...
at this point, there are allways things done wrong with the pricing of stuff in the shop and the points themself.

Soo many contradictions in one post.

First of, your thread is about VALUE. I just showed you that they are more valuable than their price tag. You immediately get near exact value for the points alone buying any supporter pack which already makes it a great value.

Second off, who cares if you can get a game for than price ? Its completely irrelevant. I havent bought a single $60 game in years soo this argument already doesnt apply to me and it probably applies to many others who arent satisfied with the current games being produced the past few years.

Third, tons of in game content that immediately devalues over time ? CS SKIN and TF2 items all tank in value after your purchase, thus you LOSE money spending money on in game items in those games 99% of the time (literally). The chances of you getting anything more than your value spent is pretty much non-existent. I would know i spent hundreds on TF2 unboxing.

Fourth, uh what ? You arent going to play modern games on a $400 rig, why would you even be looking at supporter packs if your computer is soo trashcan that even a $400 rig is an upgrade ? You wouldnt be.

Nothing you said is relevant nor does it even apply to a counter argument being that im wrong in the fact that it isnt a value deal.

PoE is fully f2p game and i really respect GGG highly for that comparing to other games. The bussiness model is strictly earing money for them only from miscrotransactions and support packs that give you "better look". Its not mandatory to buy, the supporter packs are really high value for price comparing to in-game microtransaction shops (even when you would buy everything on discount).

Though I must agree that we should also add more "low price" microtransaction, because OP have some right in it. Some people still love the game but cant afford higher priced things. They would yield for GGG additional money. If it goes for supporter packs, they should stay at they are now. They could only add maybe 20$ tier to it (many games use such price as basic support pack).

Value of the pack was already clearly proven above so I won't go further on this.

But in terms of money spent on games that could have been spent elsewhere, you have to figure out how much you will get in return.

I could spend $60 on a brand new game which will likely give me 25-40 hours of fun.

I could spend $60 on a supporter pack and I will likely play 100+ hours easy in the next league. This allows me to have some cool MTX not available elsewhere, and also supports the game so they could make the next league/expansion that I can look forward to.

People don't hesitate to spend $5 on a starbucks coffee or go to the movies with their girlfriend for like $30. Hourly rate that is like $15/hour. PoE costs me like... $0.30/hour? Maybe even less?