Pure RF Unique Item (also DPS tooltip).

Basically I really enjoy doing a build around killing enemies with the degen created by Righteous Fire.
For this, you gotta stack HP and get some Burning/Fire/Elmental damage along with some AoE (but mostly HP), and then get a way to proc EE and curse or double curse enemies with even more negative resis.

Its great having a big HP Pool (even if its still not as big as people with eng-game ES gear) and tons of regen (even if most is spent fighting RF's self-degen, but you get a great deal back while using a Ruby Flask, even if not all).

Anyway... No matter how you get about doing the build, even if its good (or even great) for solo-ing, your DPS is really sub-par compared with what many other builds can do and not using a spell (since you got the RF's More Spell Power buff anyway) is such a waste (specially with so many physical spells that don't mess with your EE nowadays).

So I would really enjoy if there was some kind of unique completely focused towards this kind of build, specially if it was a jewelry piece (Amu, Ring, Belt) or Helm.
This kind of RF already has some nice niche items: many good chest pieces, most notably Kaom's Hearth; Rise of the Phoenix (even if I wouldn't mind if the RF-Focused-Item I'm asking for was some kind of Recipe-Upgrade of RotP that didn't had joke stats apart from Max Fire Resis) and many scepters/similar to choose from...

So, what would the item be like? This is a really crude example but something along the lines of: +X STR/HP (good values since you scale your HP and hence your damage with those), if its an amu maybe something like a tiny +1/2 Max Fire Resis would be really cool, and then something like (again, just a crude example, you can always tweak the numbers) 100% Increased Burning Damage, 90% Less Spell Damage, 90% Less Attack Damage.
The idea is to be able to do a pure RF-Degen build without the need to use a spell to double (or triple or more, I don't even know) your DPS, I would really enjoy that.

And no, I don't have money to pay for my own unique, and even if I did I think they have stopped doing that because the amount queued?.


Oh, and could you also please add a DPS Tooltip for RF? Is as easy as just adding half of your HP/ES as the base damage for the spell and the multiply it based on your Fire/Elemental/Area/DoT/Burning bonuses on supports, skill tree and gear, like any other spell. Its a little ridiculous having to use a 3rd party calculator to get an idea of what your exact damage is when it should be so easy to program (to add salt to the injury you only show the cast speed on it, like if anyone cared about that, XD).


TL;DR: Add some kind of unique item that gives STR/HP/MaxFireResis (not necessarily all of those), maybe even it being a Recipe-Upgrade of Rise of the Phoenix, that increases your burning damage (or even as specific as only RF's Burning Damage) and gives you a huge penalty to spells and attacks (basically so they don't do damage) so you can make a better RF-Only damage build that doesn't "force" you to use spells in order to don't get outclassed... Also, add DPS Tooltip for RF damage per second, XD.


PD: Thanks for Elemental Focus not raping my AoE like Concentrated Effect does :-P
Last edited by Kaemonarch#7216 on Apr 26, 2016, 10:45:46 PM
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You want to remove the downsides from a fairly passive style of play... probably not a great idea.

You need to overcome those downsides yourself, and not expect the game to do it for you.
Not really want to remove the downsides, more like make a build that already exists more viable (as in, having DPS when in a party) without it forcing you into using spells if you want to get the necessary items to focus just on the degen damage.
As in, I really like make my enemies burn with RF, I find it a fun build like some find fun to do a Cast on Crit build. But I don't have unique niche items (like those that grant charges to the Cast on Crit builds) to bring it to "the next level".

And no, I'm not asking for it to have the same DPS as the best DPSing builds or anything, but just to get the chance to increase my DPS by giving up casting spells or doing attacks, even if I still do less damage that any RF build that also casts spells.
Right now is like I can get 40K Fire DPS with RF... Or I can get 40K Fire DPS with RF + 40K DPS with X Spell (for example, not sure on exact numbers, sorry). I would like to be able to just do 50K DPS with RF instead of the combined 80K DPS. Get the idea? Just give me the option to focus on the degen damage.

Still, each one has their own opinions and points of views. Thanks for commenting and sharing yours.
Last edited by Kaemonarch#7216 on Apr 27, 2016, 1:59:39 AM
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not a unique but RF could use a change.

old lv1
40% more Spell Damage
Enemies Burn for 50.0% of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
You Burn for 90.0% of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
Enemies Burn for 50.0% of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage
You Burn for 70.0% of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage

old lv20
59% more Spell Damage
Enemies Burn for 50.0% of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
You Burn for 90.0% of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
Enemies Burn for 50.0% of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage
You Burn for 70.0% of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage

idea
3%*lv more Spell Damage
Enemies Burn for 50.0% of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
You Burn for 40%+3%*lv of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
Enemies Burn for 50.0% of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage
You Burn for 20%+3%*lv of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage

by scaling the self damage and boost the skill can be used early on and leaving it on lv 1 can achive what kaem is asking for (burning damage at a lower cost with the drawback that it adds little to no damage).
self found league fan

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/324242/page/1

Well, to be fair caboom what I wanted was a way to get more damage on the RF burn (since its damage become really unnoticeable when playing in party) and you left it at the current 50% of Maximum Life.
I have no problems (nor does anyone using RF) sustaining the 90% Self Damage. But something like what you suggested could be cool for people that want to play RF without having to wait for Lv65+ and it could be cool to get more survivability out of it by leaving it at Lv1 indeed.
Last edited by Kaemonarch#7216 on Apr 27, 2016, 3:59:36 PM
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Kaemonarch wrote:
Well, to be fair caboom what I wanted was a way to get more damage on the RF burn (since its damage become really unnoticeable when playing in party) and you left it at the current 50% of Maximum Life.
I have no problems (nor does anyone using RF) sustaining the 90% Self Damage. But something like what you suggested could be cool for people that want to play RF without having to wait for Lv65+ and it could be cool to get more survivability out of it by leaving it at Lv1 indeed.


while is true that it dosent increace the damage directly, lowering the regen requirement represent a lot of free nodes that you could alocate into more fire/burning nodes or HP

heck with the lower degeneration you can even go for a low life high ES build.
self found league fan

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/324242/page/1

I am a Righteous Fire user myself, and I don't think that the issue is simple.
Builds aren't that likely to change their node choices just because they deal less damage to themselves. In fact, they are probably better off keeping the regeneration in order to be even more tanky.
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Kaemonarch wrote:
Basically ...



We already have such uniques and they are pretty good balanced . Now you're asking for

something more specific here but honestly RF doesn't need that .

The build is cool as it is imo.

It has its ups and downs , thenagain this is my opinion you don't have to agree with me .

As for the dps tooltip again , it doesn't bother me personally but I can see where you

comming from and honestly it will be an ok thing to have .
R.I.P 4.B.
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