Isn't Windripper Blatantly Overpowered?

So, I decided to give out elemental tornado shot a try. The best bow for this is, of course, Windripper. But why is it the best? Why can't I use a good rare?

That crit chance and attack speed

Nothing can compete with its crit chance and attack speed for an elemental bow build. The elemental damages on it and the MF are just icing really.

10% crit chance blows everything out of the water. Sure, you can roll a harbinger with 9.4% crit on it but then you have shitty attack speed (1.36 attacks per second max? Yeah.. no thanks). So a top tier windripper will have .6% more crit and .36 more aps than the best possible rollable bow. And you can roll some other bow for attack speed (thicket/grove whatever) but then you're stuck with a shitty base crit chance (5% on errythang).

So isn't it just blatantly overpowered? I mean, aren't uniques not supposed to be better than rollable rares? Maybe if you have a tri-ele crit chance+mult harbinger with ias all perfectly rolled you could compete. But when I look at other uniques, none even come close to needing a rare with such good rolls to compete.

I need some thoughts on this por favor...

Agree, but rares should be able to get more flat elemental damage anyway. The amount of ele damage they get is pointless with wrath/anger/heralds being around.

for an elemental bow, its definitely the best choice. it isn't overpowered, because you can still do more damage with a physical bow and just converting everything into elemental dmg (lightning arrow, burning arrow, ice shot, phys to lightning, etc).

for instance, i have this bow which i was going to craft in order to try replacing my windripper. yes it does more damage but obviously much less DPS because of the horrible attack speed. now, my build at the time didn't care about attack speed and only damage per hit, but still.


when you factor in the added MF from the bow just by default it does put it over the top as the obvious best choice for any strict elemental bow build.

Ripper is not OP, game just missing bow base which can roll such crit/APS. GGG could add zero pDPS but high crit/aps base.

Seriously stop saying rares need to better than uniques. We have already enough useless shit, windflipper is one, with mjolnir and few others that still worth something.

You misread!

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Kiri2k wrote:

Seriously stop saying rares need to better than uniques.

Seriously stop saying uniques need to be better than rares.

The OP is right. If your build relies on aspd and crit chance, the Windripper simply cannot be beaten by any other bow. The flat damage and magic find on the windripper is just icing on the cake.

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The reason for rares > uniques is two-fold.

First, it's what GGG said they would do. Given that they haven't publicly said otherwise, every "Windripper" can only be assumed to be a fuck-up on their part.

Secondly, uniques are much more common than actual BiS rares. The rarest item should supposedly be the most powerful, but BiS uniques turn that upside-down.

I feel like Doeyani's Catalyst kind of falls under the same category. There's a broad subset of "ele damage melee" builds in which the Catalyst is simply BIS. Difference with the Catalyst is that it is actually really common, which I guess is fine because it puts a really low currency wall to end-game damage numbers.

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pneuma wrote:

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Kiri2k wrote:

Seriously stop saying rares need to better than uniques.

Seriously stop saying uniques need to be better than rares.

The OP is right. If your build relies on aspd and crit chance, the Windripper simply cannot be beaten by any other bow. The flat damage and magic find on the windripper is just icing on the cake.

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The reason for rares > uniques is two-fold.

First, it's what GGG said they would do. Given that they haven't publicly said otherwise, every "Windripper" can only be assumed to be a fuck-up on their part.

Secondly, uniques are much more common than actual BiS rares. The rarest item should supposedly be the most powerful, but BiS uniques turn that upside-down.

Dunno, I think there could be strong/OP uniques, unmatched by any rare, but it should be something unique/special about it.

Compare unnerfed Soul Taker vs Mjolner. ST had quite good DPS and granted "unlimited" mana, that was bad since ST was simply BiS axe most of the time unless you had mirrored axe. Now look at Mjolner, it have shitty stats for mace, yet it grants unique mechanics, with proper build and gear it can be really OP in terms of DPS and surviability. Not a single mace can match Mjolner, since they simply does not grants such mechanics :) That does not mean Mjolner breaking "rares > uniques" rule.

But in case of Ripper, myeah its pretty lame unique since it basically just buffed to the sky crit chance and APS, its not really "unique" mechanic, and that makes rare bows saaad saad panda. Yet I am not the one who call for NURFS, I prefer new bow base which able to roll similar stats as Ripper.