serious beta distribution flaw

/agree

idk atleast there giving out beta keys constantly

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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koryman101 wrote:

i love how everyone assumes I'm saying i deserve one.

I didn't assume that.
then it doesn`t matter.

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koryman101 wrote:

i started watching the clock and checked all day for a few days and click on every single profile, I'm not guessing or exaggerating.

And yet you haven't provided any of your data, and your figure of 70%+ is notably higher than the figures I've seen from people who did this and actually did show all the data, recorded all the names, and could actually back up their claims.

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koryman101 wrote:

a lot of the new beta key's were given to accounts that haven't logged in in over 3 months or more.

And that's not a bad thing. You still haven't given any reason why that's a bad thing apart from assuming that some people "deserve" beta keys.

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koryman101 wrote:

the proof is in the profiles who received beta keys.

You haven't supplied this "proof" and those who did got lower numbers than you. So I'm still dubious about your claim of 70%+.

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koryman101 wrote:

grats you don't care.

I care deeply about the timer functioning well.

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koryman101 wrote:

i knew the game developers who made the system would be defensive and not care.

Then clearly you were wrong.

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koryman101 wrote:

i was stating a fact that its very flawed.

You were stating it as though it were a fact, but that doesn't make it one. It's your opinion, not a fact. And it's wrong, because the timer is MEANT to let those people in as well as those who do post. The point of the timer isn't to let in the people who've been waiting longest, and ignore everyone who hasn't logged in for a while (which would, as I pointed out, be us breaking our word), it's to get us a good set of beta testers. If we only took the people who's been waiting the longest, and never let in people who didn't post, that would be BAD for the beta, because we need to be getting feedback from as many different kinds of people as possible, not skewing all our feedback towards only certain kinds of people. That's why our beta, like almost all betas, selects people at random.

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koryman101 wrote:

lower me and my opinion

So you admit it's an opinion and not a fact now?

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koryman101 wrote:

it won't magically become a good system because of that.

And a system which is fulfilling it's intended purpose well won't magically become seriously flawed because you don't like it.

And this is a discussion about timer it self, not about how to write a logical sentence, or how to have good argumentation.koryman101 might be a 14 years old boy. he wouldnt even care! I think he expresses a lot of points in opinions many people on this forum have. Lets put the text in more logical(from who`s ever point) way, so that Mark could polemise more!

1. Beta keys should not be given to users who:
have not logged after they registered/they registered and did not login since 3 months(for example).

Player view(described by me,as a player):
It is not about that we deserve and they do not deserve a key. To put it in another words, it makes us sad( frustrated, crying, or even angry), i could imagine that we should be strong as stoics and not let us be overwhelmed by such emotions, calmly stay in chair and wait another 30minutes. But its more fun! to throu stones, rather than be one.

One of GGG answers : (i repeate one - explained latter):

You have promised, in your advertisements that it is all you need to do is sign up. And now you swear on your mothers grave you will not brake that promise, coz its not "professional" ( i personally without any reasons (perhaps) hate this word - just sounds pseudo..). Well. bullshit.

well i was going to write more, but spared my time.
quote :

Last time I saw someone actually looking at the numbers on this, it was not that high. Given that you've provided no evidence to support your assertion, I'm fairly confident you don't actually mean "literally" there, and are in fact guessing and/or exagerating.

so where is the evidence for contradicting his point?
now we shouldn`t not believe that little guy, but should believe the guy from GGG, althou he saw it, but he dont provide it too.
Im sorry, this is neglecting conversation between children, and intellectual beings explaining everything in authority.

piece. dont know why i got in to this.

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drny wrote:

so where is the evidence for contradicting his point?
now we shouldn`t not believe that little guy, but should believe the guy from GGG, althou he saw it, but he dont provide it too.

Maybe I'm waaaaaay off here, but when someone makes a claim and presents no evidence for this claim, you don't need to provide evidence to refute that claim?

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Eiseth wrote:

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drny wrote:

so where is the evidence for contradicting his point?
now we shouldn`t not believe that little guy, but should believe the guy from GGG, althou he saw it, but he dont provide it too.

Maybe I'm waaaaaay off here, but when someone makes a claim and presents no evidence for this claim, you don't need to provide evidence to refute that claim?

you dont, mods don`t have to answer to posts at all i guess, but i would say that might be more appropriate in this situation, more professional and nice, than just speaking about logic.

Probably. Though I think they've grown really tired of these threads. They keep popping up and being nice doesn't seem to stop them from doing it. Might as well serve out some logic and get it over with fast. *Shrugs*

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drny wrote:

1. Beta keys should not be given to users who:
have not logged after they registered/they registered and did not login since 3 months(for example).

Player view(described by me,as a player):
It is not about that we deserve and they do not deserve a key. To put it in another words, it makes us sad( frustrated, crying, or even angry), i could imagine that we should be strong as stoics and not let us be overwhelmed by such emotions, calmly stay in chair and wait another 30minutes. But its more fun! to throu stones, rather than be one.

This is all opinion. Everyone that has registered an account has a chance at receiving a beta invite from the timer. Just because some people are melodramatic 17 year olds or have Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD or AD/HD or ADD), this doesn't mean everyone else should not receive a closed beta key.

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drny wrote:

You have promised, in your advertisements that it is all you need to do is sign up. And now you swear on your mothers grave you will not brake that promise, coz its not "professional" ( i personally without any reasons (perhaps) hate this word - just sounds pseudo..). Well. bullshit.

GGG have been consistent with how they would handle the closed beta invites since the beginning. It would be unprofessional for GGG to change their stance on this now. In essence GGG would be lying & falsely advertising the availability of beta access if they were to change it now & not give all accounts a chance at access.

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drny wrote:

so where is the evidence for contradicting his point?
now we shouldn`t not believe that little guy, but should believe the guy from GGG, althou he saw it, but he dont provide it too.

You can't start a thread with conjecture & opinion(as the thread starter did), claim your opinions as facts & then not list the data to back up your claims. GGG has been forthcoming with information since the beginning.

Both you and the thread starter can continue to QQ all over the forums.

Inactivity =/= Indifference (Credit to Whiteboy88)

@mdavis588:

so now three of us shared our opinion. maybe your right maybe your not, i see nothing more than opinion in your statements either.. and i did not say anywhere what those who cry has to get beta invites, i just mentioned the emotions it can trigger. If they think about color blinded , why not to think about ADHD, lol.

About advertising promises, ME would like that many companies would do what might be best than just keeping for what they promise in advertisements, for example they could create a new class now, if they would come up with a new one, and not say that they cant because they promised just 6? providing an opt in option on your acc would not make anyone not eligible or a rate of 3 months wouldnt do that either.Now it would maybe make angry some other people who are waiting a year, but if they are still coming here, what dont i see?

Anyway, the timer for me looks strange(in the decision of having such one like this). And neither me, or i guess the thread author has the time, or we are not payed to do research and then prove that the timer is really not working ( we are not even beta testers!:D), while the author was not perfectly articulating i still see the point, and the answers looked rather rood, than informative. That is not bad, but not informative:) now i guess u ll say that i have to search the forums, then the first thread on top was like that. I just come here for fun, to write something not really important for me, and be entertained,some RPG. I guess.

And now i remembered writing a letter to a disappointed customer of a company i was working at, she was in my opinion wrong, so i wrote back in a "friendly" manner. BTW i`m searching for work at the moment, anyone know one,a good one? Good night:)

If anyone is really crying over not getting a beta invite, no matter how long it's been, you need to do some serious growing up. Besides that, as many people have stated, there are a lot of players who have been inactive according to the site for 3 or more months who were invited and are now members of the beta community who are contributing as much or more as people who were active before the invite.

Look at the thread about how many beta invite keys are out now compared to members signed up. Around 10% of ALL people signed up have keys and that's a very high number in a closed beta. Plus, the invite will be sped up yet again before long once the new patch comes out. Worse case scenario we have to wait for open beta or release to play A COMPLETELY FREE GAME... I really don't understand why anyone chooses to whine over something like this. It's like crying because you enter the lottery and don't win.

The game will be released anyway. If I can play it now or then doesn't really matter ;)