Desecrate Defeats Minion Defense Completely.

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Vesuvorus wrote:

If you have carefully picked spectres from end game maps and you're not doing a minion instability build(this applies to a lot of summoners from what I've read), you'd want to keep them alive and desecrate feeds those other skills.

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gr00grams wrote:

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Vesuvorus wrote:

If you have carefully picked spectres from end game maps and you're not doing a minion instability build(this applies to a lot of summoners from what I've read), you'd want to keep them alive and desecrate feeds those other skills.

See, this is one area I think the new gem totally defeats;

1. You can use the corpses as specters. I realize a lot of players like to 'hand-pick' their specters, but they too will be infinite, and the largest MI damage.

2. Non-MI builds are only possible for those with the patience to exploit snap-shotting. Otherwise, odds are your specters will go down at some point, unless they are Undying Evangelists.

3. Desecrate does feed the other skills, but why waste time with them? DPS output is higher with endless MI's fed by desecrate rather than trying to boost block chances, and haste aura is already in-game for minion speeds, which also lends to the fact most summoners already spec every aura node they can with aura buffs. The gain on my haste is over 40% AS thus far...

I am just having a hard time seeing anything past the potential output from full on MI minion zergs with the endless supply of corpses. Even doing all the summoner tricks in the book, the fastest boss kills etc I've ever had where when multiple high-hp minions bit the dust in a bosses face.

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gr00grams wrote:

Hello,

I have not seen this issue raised anywhere, so I'm going to make the point of it, before the new patch drops even;

Desecrate creates corpses.
That is an extremely, incredible power for summoners.

I don't think anyone's really thought about the full implications of this yet, or this thread would already exist. I digress;

Why do you need Bone/Flesh Offering gems to boost minion survival now?
I can just Desecrate, and summon infinitely. Ok, the speed boost is useful, I will give it that. But why do I want them as tanks now that they are infinite?

I've already defeated this game solely with Skeletons because they are infinite.
You want me to boost the defensive capabilities of minions that are now infinite in number why?

What do I care if they block attacks or spells? I don't have Aegis either, it's a waste.

So now, I have all minions on infinite standby, once I get this gem.
What do I care if they die? That is actually better, with MI, and minion speed, I will turn them all into kamikaze nukes. Zombies without any snap-shotting or the like have decent hp. 33% of my level 19 zombies' 6300 hp is 1890 damage. Multiply that by 10, and I'm looking at 18900 dps, if I can make them all explode as quickly as possible, and re-summon them with desecrate. Add in 14 skeletons, currently at 2275 hp lvl 19, for 682.5 damage per death on top, which adds another 9555 dps (14 skeletons).

Tell me why I want these things to live longer? I hope the specters desecrate makes are also melee front-liners, as their explosions deal the highest damage, and would double this output.

Is there a cooldown on desecrate? Anyone else had this thought? You can make all your summons with this one gem. There is absolutely zero need to have them survive, and rather better to build them for nuking with MI, and just let them deal whatever damage they can until they nuke.

Thoughts?

EDIT* None of the values count for minion damage increases. The DPS is solely based on hp values even... add in some 70%+ damage gems, and minion passives...

Think about it.