At what DPS does a 1h sword become better than Facebreaker gloves?
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A 1 handed sword will not surpass Facebreaker currently. Maybe when lvl 90+ content is released and there are lvl 80-90 base items.
Highest dps 1 handed sword is currently at 5xx. Without using Soul Taker you're forced to use 1 gem slot for either blood magic or mana leech. You could get mana leech on rings/ammy but 1 handed swords can't sustain the mana cost with mana leech (after auras) in 6link due to low physical damage/high attack speed. Facebreaker can achieve 50k+ dps with a shield. A single 1 hander cannot reach that number with a shield. We'll, probably could but you would have to sacrifice almost all survivability for damage. Some dual weld builds don't reach 50k dps while having insane survivability like Facebreaker with shield. Crit builds on the other hand can out dps Facebreaker. But that's like comparing apples to shoe. Facebreakers are non crit, which implies using resolute techinque. Swords aren't usually used for crit builds due to low base crit chance |
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Erm. I think we should get a real answer to this question. It is something I am interested in but never took the time to find out. Even if it is not possible in game; there is a dps that the sword would surpass the fist.
However, we need to set some standards. Which skill are we using? (not even sure this is relevant if we calculate base damages) Are we talking about legacy facebreakers? That business about needing blood magic or mana leech gem is dependent on so many factors. So let's ignore support gems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will edit here with the information I find out. Final damage = (base damage) * (100% from base + all additive mods that apply ) * ( all multiplicative mods ) Level 1 duelist. 2-6 base damage 1.2 attacks per second. 2*11=22 6*11=66 22+66=88 88/2=44 44*1.2=52.8 52.8 dps = base legacy facebrakers 2*9=18 6*9=54 18+54=72 72/2=36 36*1.2=43.2 43.2 dps = base new facebreakers 6-15 physical per ring. +1-4 iron rings. 11-26 physical amulet. 4-10 physical quiver. +1-4 heavy quiver (i think we should ignore quivers though) 27-70 base damage with max gear no quiver. 27*11=297 70*11=770 297+770=1067 1067/2=533.5 533.5*1.2=640.2 640.2 dps = legacy facebreakers 27*9=243 70*9=630 243+630=873 873/2=436.5 436.5*1.2=523.8 523.8 dps = new facebreakers Legion sword 38-71 base damage 1.2 attacks per second 19-45 physical damage 65.4 dps = base legion sword 249% increased physical damage 20% quality 27% attack speed (I am going to wing it because I am unsure of the damage formula) 38+19+25=82 71+45+64=180 82*3.69=302.58 180*3.69=664.2 302.58+664.2=966.78 966.78/2=483.39 1.2*.27=.324 1.2+.324=1.524 483.39*1.524=736.68 736.68 dps = perfect legion sword Unfortunately, I still do not have a definitive answer :p. However, I can say that swords are way more competitive than the people in this thread would lead me to believe. <3 Free Tibet <3 Last edited by Opinionated#4840 on Dec 17, 2013, 7:49:05 PM
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A 1h sword is a different creature than FB gloves. If you try to calculate dps potential using only estimated base damage and % multipliers, FB will win.
A sword has high accuracy. In my mind that means you shouldn't take Resolute Technique, because otherwise you lose the accuracy advantage and you may as well use a 1h-something-else. It also suggests you should take advantage of crit somehow. 5% base crit rate is average. Not high, not low. Once you take crit into the equation, the damage comparison becomes very muddled. Plus you still haven't factored in the possibility for Static Blows and shock-stacking, possibility of using uniques in your jewellry slots, Maligaros or Thunderfist or something else in your glove slot, etc. It is possible for a 1h build to match FB in effective pdps output using the above mechanics, but it's just not common because you're going to need extremely high-end weapon/gear plus the dedication to pull off the build (a lot of people seem to just want the cheapest and easiest way...). I've only met one 1h axe build who's done it before using the above mechanics, and that was in the pre-SoulTaker era. It's possible, but it is not easy/cheap and you have to build specifically for crit/shock. Toupy - Lv93 Facebreaker Cyclone Duelist Last edited by Myrthr#6542 on Dec 17, 2013, 4:48:10 AM
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" It's actually a bit more complicated than that. You may have a 466 dps sword and think it equals Facebreaker in terms of default attack damage using the above +phy set up. But in reality, Facebreaker will still do more dps because it scales better with %increased attack speed and %phys increase from passive tree/support gems/STR bonus due to higher per hit damage. You can use any skill you like with that 1 handed sword, but it'll still do less damage than facebreaker if you're not going for crit. If all you're after is dps then yes, in a crit build you can achieve more dps than Facebreaker, but that's only after you've significantly invested into accuracy, crit chance, and crit multiplier and in doing so you lack the defenses that a Facebreaker would have. Due to the nature of Facebreaker, you can invest in as few as 3 offensive passives and still have great dps while using your passiive pts for more hp/def/resists/etc. |
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" Which build and what gear? Thanks! |
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at over 9000 DPS
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" http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/547753 101k dps IGN: NNQQ, Sporkay, Rands_
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Spectral Throw great again |
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80kdps with actual facebreaker ...
Last edited by xMasaox#5129 on Dec 17, 2013, 6:52:46 PM
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