Banner is actually sucks.

The only class related to Banner is Champion.

But it's actually not good at all.

First of all, Banner area is TINY without investment.

Now, you can get larger area with +Max Valor.

But with higher max valor, you will get a harder time to get the 3 endurance/frenzy charge from Defiant Stand notable. Because generating valor is much worse than generating Rage.

Now, remember that banner is TINY, after u increase it max valor, it's area, it's much harder to get out of it for Champion "recover 30% valor used when you LEAVE the banner area.

You literally need to leave. Expiry or picking it up is useless. It's solely for mapping/moving around which is not much different from putting a freaking TOTEM. At least totem had good area from get go.

The other than warbanner for damage, the rest is conditional defense. Everyone knows that's bad. That's why nobody take the affliction warden "Lesson of Seasons", the one after Barksin.

Currently, only not investing in Banner is somewhat decent.

A mere mechanism to generate 6 charges which should have nice uptime with +100% charge duration, and yea u can get 50 valor during that uptime.

There's also free explosion which doesn't care for valor at all, just duration, which is infinite.


My suggestions for Champion is:

- Recover Valor when prematurely ended based on the remaining duration.
- Recover 30% Valor when end.
- Putting Banner allow generate Valor at half the rate.

My suggestion for Banner is :

+ More DURATION with valor.
+ Remove More Area with Valor
+ Decent Area for the start.


Let's focus on just the banner first, coz PIANO melee still a pretty horrible gameplay.

the duration isn't even displayed as well, which make it even more suck.

Forgive me but there seems to be a misunderstanding on how to use it if you think "Banner is actually sucks"

Particularly war banner, I get a 12 second window to deal 43.2% more damage.

If you use warcries you can get back up to 50 (or 80 in my case) pretty quickly by taking the banner mastery.

If you have a fast attacking build its pretty easy to get up to cap as well.

Takes some building around but war banner is insane for bossing. I already did a t17 on this crap axe I have.

(Nice edit)