Fire skills damage is to low to be even a valid choice in the modern game.
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It feels like these skills were nerfed from the double dip dot meta and then it was removed and never adjusted.
Its so depressing how if you do fire damage the answer is always fire trap and it has been for YEARS now. Do you take a single trap node on the tree? No. Got anything to do with traps at all? No. Why is it then on like an rf chieftain you will deal 1/3 less damage with scorching ray of immolation then 5.6 mill vs 8.8 mill. It just feels weird and wrong. And that is at max stacks which is harder to obtain then just spamming fire trap at their location and has ramp up time. And that is like the best 2nd spot for a spell. stuff like searing bond, flame totem, fireball, rolling magma, incinrate, flame surge, flame blast, firestorm are basically just forgotten about. And what is weirder is most of this stuff becomes better if u turn it into a trap. like firestorm damage basically increases 150% being on a trap. Like can we kill the traps already. At this point I would even accept just fire trap getting nerfed to enable some build diversity choices so you arm isnt twisted by behind your back. Last bumped on Apr 7, 2024, 10:58:28 PM
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DD buffed and still played and a league starter EA still played and a league starter Flameblast still played RF still played and a league starter Ele hit fire still played SRS fire still played and a league starter Volcanic Fissure snaking/normal fire still played Tornado trans fire being played this league Some of the most popular skills being played ... across several leagues including this one are fire so ... Not sure where you getting the whole "fire skill damage is too low to be a valid choice" from Mash the clean Last edited by Mashgesture#2912 on Apr 7, 2024, 2:34:48 PM
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" each of those has an * next to it though. DD because mob health scaling. EA because safety and ziz popularity Flameblast on poe.ninja is 0.1% which is a rounded number i.e stupid low like dancing dervish is 0.1% Rf does laughable damage what that peaking at? 1 mill. Also popularity streamer bias. elemental hit fire is not being played like I am sure the is one guy but on poe ninja its only tri elemental the is 1 doing even 40% fire SRS is played as poison volcanic figure is a 0.2% and tornado somehow got rounded to 0.0% which i didn't even know was possible s so dancing dervish is somehow more popular then it. If you go popularity across all skills its RF then its firetrap in the RF then its blast rain played as tri elemental, EA and DD, Srs which is poison. and then its a long dead list of nothing until u get to molten strike at 0.3% So in terms of fire damage skills being played as fire damage its Righteous fire Fire trap in the righteous fire EA DD 4 skills out of like 40+ see any play. only 2 of them being for damage reasons fire trap and DD. I just want a general damage fire skill that can be used which doesn't force u go to some niche way like EA with totems or DD with corpses. Incinerate, firestorm, flame surge for example should be better choices for a fire spell caster with 0 trap nodes then fire trap. Last edited by arcanemastery#1280 on Apr 7, 2024, 9:39:57 PM
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I agree in total with topic.
Few more or less playable fire skills like fire Molten strike(cause bunch of proj/hits and immortality) Armageddon brands (recall slap) Firestorm with archmage /something else cause its have good aoe and good add damage. WoC, but its phys base and everything with phys base more or less playable. |
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So this thread basically just tells me what I already knew... just reinforcing it with this reply here.
You're free to your opinion but there is just so much against it. And nothing for it. " It's a fire skill. You're post says "fire skill damage is to low" and I provided a fire skill that literally does the opposite. Several even are league starters that can carry to endgame including... DD SRS. RF. These are all fire skills that are used, in fire by the way, as league starter builds. And since you seem so crazy about what POE ninja shows, go ahead and let me know where those lie on the leaderboards. There seems to be a knowledge gap on a few skills here as well...seems like not much is understood about how these skills even behave. " 1 million? Why are you cherry picking... or just straight lying, about peak RF damage based on ninja? You know how RF behaves? A 1M fire dot is good damage. So it doesnt seem like you know how RF even does it's damage at all, or plays by saying 1M from RF is not good. " SRS cannot be played as PSN at league start (which you should know). You need several uniques to even start doing/converting to psn damage (united in dream, covenant) and you only swap to that if you choose to/ can afford to, which you cannot at league start. My fire SRS build I made last league WITH the 38% multiplier nerf to its damage this league does 18m clear and 23m single target. Character is named ImStuckStepZombie. For information to get you started if you want to check POB
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Spectres were hydra, miscreation, warlord, judgmental spirit, spirit of fortune. Animate guard has leercast and legacy of fury.
And I did all ubers +30 sim with none of the crap its currently wearing (all the +1 and +2 stuff, along with a large cluster, perfect darkness enthroned, good jewels etc...). Actually forgot to put on multistrike for ubersirus, and killed one of my spectres swapping a weapon. I have all the defensive stuff I was using before I bought all this unnecessary damage crap I used to just to see how far I could push it. Ill let you do the rest since you are the expert on fire skills being too low of damage. " So if all you are gonna do is link POE ninja percents and then somehow derive how useful or how much damage something does you need to understand what POE ninja is even showing you. Which it doesnt seem like you do. And then not cherry pick damage like you did with RF. If we apply your logic about the rest of everything on the low end of percent... then I guess VF and VF of snaking are just terrible skills? Aint that right @Artcrusade? "Just a useless horribly scaling skill. Theres only .2% people playing it so it must be bad. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is all to say that I just gave you 4 fire skills gems, which are all league starters, and played as fire and have 0 issues pushing endgame at all. Aka their damage is fine. SRS was JUST nerfed this league as well. And then the other skills I gave you, while not popular on Ninja, have no issue pushing themselves to end game and are, in fact, fire skills. (Flame blast, ele hit fire, Tornado of elemental turb, VF/VF of snaking). Good luck ! Let me know if you need help with the POB on fire SRS. Mash the clean
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