" Increased Ignite / DoT duration & Ingites / DoT's deal damage faster " are weak, buff them

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jsuslak313 wrote:

I dont think you fundamentally understand anything about how ignites and Damage Over Time works....

I'm not going to sit here and explain THE ENTIRE mechanic to you...suffice to say your assessment, comparison, and thoughts behind "duration" are just plain 100% wrong. I'll try to keep it brief.

Any source of "deals damage faster" is the equivalent of a straight up more multiplier, with the exception of Sadism. Sadism BECOMES a "more multiplier" once you have sufficient attack speed. This is because when you get that kind of mod, it means that you deal the SAME amount of initial damage, but over a much shorter ignite duration. So the TOTAL damage you once did in a 5 second ignite, would now become the same TOTAL damage, but over far less time: allowing for quicker ignites to occur (since they don't stack).

Ex:
1 million damage ignite with no faster mod = 1 million over 4 seconds
1 million damage ignite with faster mod = 1 million over less time. If you are able to reapply the ignite right at the new duration expiration, that results 50% more overall damage.

Increasing the duration doesn't just automatically increase damage. Rather, it spreads out the existing damage over a longer period of time. This is NOT beneficial to any Sadism/Faster ignite build UNLESS you can't reapply the ignite fast enough. So in fact, in a lot of situations, getting more duration could yield far LESS overall damage, as you miss potential ignite procs. However, with slower attacks and stacking less duration mods, these increased durations on the tree become exponentially more valuable to a sadism build but not for any OTHER ignite build.

Basically, TLDR: If your ignite speed (attack speed) is not balanced with your ignite duration...it will almost always result in a dps loss. HOWEVER, if your speed is balanced with your duration, faster ignites will always deal exponentially more damage.

Also, comparing DoT to Trauma stacks is...just plain dumb. They are two completely different mechanics and require a completely different set of tools and understanding.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

^No I know...I wrote that it just isn't as simple as increasing the damage, especially when it comes to non-stacking ailments like ignite. I edited my post slightly. If you have an attack speed tailored to your current ignite duration, and then you increase that duration, that could result in a "missed" re-ignite and a dps loss. You either need to attack so fast that it doesn't matter, or re-calculate your speed to match the "new" ignite duration.

Ofc that only REALLY matters on beefy single targets.

And I was really trying not to get into the specifics of every situation and every little thing ;). The OP already doesn't understand it from the ground up so...I mean the title of the post includes "deals damage faster" is too weak: Sadism is almost the single most powerful support gem in the entire game, provided you cover the downside. I wouldn't call that weak...Plus Dyadian Dawn giving a 35-42% MORE multiplier from that mod. Those are HUGE. Tradeoff is, when you stack faster ailments like that, then increased duration mods become less effective in terms of overall dps because their effectiveness gets cut by the multiplicative/divisive faster ailment. Or I think its the reverse of that? Can't think properly right now.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

Also, comparing DoT to Trauma stacks is...just plain dumb. They are two completely different mechanics and require a completely different set of tools and understanding.