Eternal Damnation + Armala, the Widow in Soul of Arakaali + Righteous Fire

This might be a bug, but I'm not 100% sure if it works or not. Feels kinda it doesn't work even though it possibly should work.

Ok so the Eternal Damnation has "Gain additional elemental damage reduction equal to half your chaos resistance"
And the captured Armala, the Widow, in Soul of Arakaali, says "+40% chaos resistance against damage over time"

I thought I might be able to sustain RF with the Eternal Damnation, since the damage reduction works with RF. The problem was capping chaos resistance, but I figured i could virtually cap it with the +40% chaos resistance against damage over time. But once I tried I kinda expected a bigger impact in the sustain. It felt more like I had only the "10% reduced damage taken from damage over time" from the pantheon.

It could be I'm mistaken, and it did affect the RF degen. It just felt so minor.

"Your chaos resistance" does not include the 40% vs. Chaos DoT since that's not part of your generic chaos res. You are still using your Fire res to counter RF, so I'm not sure why you think this should've worked?

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TemjinGold wrote:

"Your chaos resistance" does not include the 40% vs. Chaos DoT since that's not part of your generic chaos res. You are still using your Fire res to counter RF, so I'm not sure why you think this should've worked?

It's not +40% chaos resistance against chaos damage over time, but +40% chaos resistance against damage over time. It is against any damage over time that is applicable to your chaos resistance. This in my head means conditional chaos resistance is applicable to RF with Eternal Damnation.

I do feel there has been some misunderstanding. I'm kinda not sure if you noticed, but the Eternal Damnation adds damage reduction, not resistance, against elemental damage with half your chaos resistance. They are two different defensive layers, which both multiplicatively reduce the damage taken. In other words RF degen can be reduced with chaos resistance when using Eternal Damnation.

The important factor here is that Eternal Damnation is not damage over time.

If it said "effective Chaos Resistance", or if it had a separate line for hits and for DoT with the latter mentioning "Chaos Resistance against Damage Over Time", this interaction would work.

The point I am making is that Eternal Damnation uses your generic chaos resistance to calculate how much damage reduction you should be getting. "Chaos Res against DoT" is not that so it is not used in the calculation. The amulet does not make your chaos res work for all DoT damage.

In simplified terms, the necklace is saying:

1) You get these bonuses and penalties.

2) Half of your generic chaos resistance is now damage mitigation.

There is nothing here that says "your chaos resistance works against damage over time of all types."

In other words, you are not resisting elemental damage with your chaos resistance. That number is just used to determine how much damage mitigation you should be getting.

We have a direct word from GGG for this in their Sanctum FAQ page https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3324388

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Does the “Gain additional Elemental Damage Reduction equal to half your Chaos Resistance” mod on Eternal Damnation reduce the damage you take from elemental damage over time effects?

Spoiler

Yes

Now do you guys still want to say Eternal Damnation modifier does not affect RF degen?

You are still missing the point. The chaos res stat from your character sheet is what determines your elemental damage reduction. Yes we all know it works with RF but those specific pantheon stats will not add to your characters defense sheet chaos res which is what the amulet is based off of.

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Celd wrote:

We have a direct word from GGG for this in their Sanctum FAQ page https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3324388

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Does the “Gain additional Elemental Damage Reduction equal to half your Chaos Resistance” mod on Eternal Damnation reduce the damage you take from elemental damage over time effects?

Spoiler

Yes

Now do you guys still want to say Eternal Damnation modifier does not affect RF degen?

Yes I still want to say it doesn't affect your degen. You are completely misinterpreting that GGG statement. The damage mitigation from the amulet you get DOES help with RF. The "chaos res for dot" from the pantheon does NOT help with the amount of damage mitigation you get from the amulet. I don't know why you are having such a hard time getting this.

In short, there is nothing wrong with how it works, there is no bug.

Good, so we do agree where the damage mitigation from Eternal Damnation comes from. No need to argue over that. Sorry if you got riled up, but I couldn't understand your points from your previous posts. They seemed to negate the whole thought of reducing elemental degen with chaos resistance.

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Jadian wrote:

If it said "effective Chaos Resistance", or if it had a separate line for hits and for DoT with the latter mentioning "Chaos Resistance against Damage Over Time", this interaction would work.

I'm looking at the literal meaning of this, and yes this is correct and that's how the game works. Eternal Damnation says 'your chaos resistance', so it refers to 'chaos resistance' and not to any other, like 'your chaos resistance against dot'.

But at the same time I feel ambiguity (understood in more ways than one) that the effective chaos resistance is the one that is applied, and '+40% chaos resistance against dot' literally should mean Eternal Damnation should use the higher available chaos resistance against dots because the chaos resistance against dots is affected by your base chaos resistance. The chaos resistance against dots does not exist in a vacuum in other words.

So if it was made clearer, I would not use 'your effective chaos resistance' but 'your base chaos resistance' to imply 'chaos resistance against damage over time' will not work.

I'm ready to admit this is not a bug if it works as intended, but I do feel ambiguity from this.

I think I see your confusion. Maybe this will help:

"Chaos resistance against DoTs" does not mean it's against all DoTs. It's only against DoTs that do chaos damage, like poison. That's because resistance only works against its type of damage. You would need Fire resistance against DoTs to apply here.

The intent of that pantheon was if you had 30 chaos res, your effective chaos res against poison and things like Bane would be 70. But that doesn't change the fact that your chaos res is actually 30 and not 70, it just counts it as 70 if you are getting hit by a chaos dot.

This is similar to the mastery that says "defend with 120% of armour if not on low energy shield." If you have 10,000 armour, the game calculates as if you have 12,000 as long as you aren't on low energy shield. But you never have 12,000 actual armour and anything that checks the value will use 10,000.

In short, that pantheon does not change your chaos resistance at all. It just gives you a more favorable calculation versus one specific kind of damage hitting you. Any things that check for your actual chaos resistance value will not be affected by it.