Awaken gems drops from map bosses

I'm gonna report it as a bug right up!

Witness bosses by Maven in maps do NOT drop awakened gems!
I've run over ~300 14+ maps, also with elder- and shaper guardians and conquerors and never seen a awakened gem. (chiselled and alched)

i'll go back running altars, they actually give some loot...

Thanks GGG for giving me false hope with the announcements, and letting us all down again.

btw, love this league for the rest ;)

The awakened gems do drop from witnessed bosses. The awakened drops are just super rare, RNG, lottery winning drops.

If the statement that this would make the maven more competitive to altars they failed miserably... failing another promise.

But so far, nobody found one (outside the crucible)

maybe some noobs got baited by friends that drop a gem at the end of the bossfight, but so far: the claim that any map boss can drop an awakened gem is either a hoax or bug

I hear you. I ran Maven for a while and didn't see any either -- decision was to switch to Exarch and wait to hear feedback from others as to whether the drops were made to be extremely rare, as I didn't want to waste time trying for a .01% drop chance (this is a figure I'm throwing out, not anything I attempted to calculate).

Feedback: Here's the thing about Maven: Running Maven is just a lot more complicated than running Exarch/Eater. The main problem is managing/juggling all of the maps that need to be obtained, organized, and run, and when compared to eldritch altars, the reward for the effort simply isn't worth it. Not even close. Even if a favorite map could be run repeatedly rather than requiring 10 different maps, like one can with eldritch altars, it likely still wouldn't be worth it if the Awakened gem drop rate is super low.

My takeaway is not that eldritch altars are too rewarding, because they aren't. Rather, it is that Maven isn't rewarding enough, especially considering the overhead of map-management involved. Actually, Maven should be more rewarding than eldritch altars, because it's a more complex and demanding mechanic.

I don't have nearly enough information to make claims about actual drop rates, but one possibility, if such a mechanic isn't already in place, would be to give each boss a boosted possibility of dropping an awakened gem during the multi-boss trial itself. 1% or .5% chance? That would equate to 1 drop per 10 or 20 invitations run, on average.

There is admittedly some generalization and conjecture in this post, for what it's worth. I look forward to being corrected by someone with more detailed / factual information.

I think part of the issue is that, as long as the reward is something like an awakened gem, it will never be worth running. The reason is if the drop rate is too low, people won't bother. If it's too high, then the value of these gems tanks. In order for Maven to be worth running, the main reward needs to be either currency or some other consumable.

Exarch/Eater currency is needed in large quantities by crafters so there is always a need for more while each player only needs so many awakened gems of a certain type. Once these gems enter the economy they effectively don't leave because they don't get used up.

In my opinion, there are only 2 ways to fix this:

1) Make it so you can do Exarch/Eater alongside Maven when running a map.

2) Change the reward for Maven to something high value and consumable. The 2 things that come to mind for me are Elevated Sextant or Orb of Conflict. Yes these items will then drop in value but they do actually get used up whereas gems do not.

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I think part of the issue is that, as long as the reward is something like an awakened gem, it will never be worth running. The reason is if the drop rate is too low, people won't bother. If it's too high, then the value of these gems tanks. In order for Maven to be worth running, the main reward needs to be either currency or some other consumable.

Exarch/Eater currency is needed in large quantities by crafters so there is always a need for more while each player only needs so many awakened gems of a certain type. Once these gems enter the economy they effectively don't leave because they don't get used up.

In my opinion, there are only 2 ways to fix this:

1) Make it so you can do Exarch/Eater alongside Maven when running a map.

2) Change the reward for Maven to something high value and consumable. The 2 things that come to mind for me are Elevated Sextant or Orb of Conflict. Yes these items will then drop in value but they do actually get used up whereas gems do not.

After I posted, I started thinking that it would be better for there to be a wider selection of possible rewards (as map boss drops when witnessed by the maven)... some more common, and some less common. The awakened gem possibility wouldn't need to be removed for this to happen, as it would simply be one of the less common rewards (probably). There are countless possibilities which could be included in such a reward pool... such as those you mentioned in #2.

Actually, the option #1 you mentioned above seems to make a lot of sense too, in that it seems like it wouldn't break anything for it to function like that, in terms of reward based on effort invested. A player still has to manage and run the same wide selection of maps to qualify for invitations, which is a reasonable layer of complexity added to that which is required for eldritch altars.

Maven should just be allowed to be set to always on. I say this so that people that can't handle killing witnessed map bosses can turn Maven off.

However, personally, I believe Maven should just be core. Once you encounter her, she should be ever present. And in the end, every 10 different map bosses killed, you get to do a crucible arena.

This way everyone can focus on their Exarch/Eater ying-yang, and every 10 different maps get a crucible fight without feeling gimped, unrewarded, for having to give up Exarch/Eater rewards for 10 maps to get the crucible.

Same happened to me, thought it was because i doesn´t have 4 watchstones(some atlas problems comes from that) but i run like 600 witnessed maps with 2 watchstones, another 200/300 with 3 watchstones, and im already at 150/200 with 4 watchstones and not even 1 dropped. Got 2 1 from crucible and 1 from maven herself. So sad that they didn´t even patch it in 3.20.1, didn´t even notice, cause we are the only 3 idiots who run maven cause they consider it fun instead of running altars

yep, maven mechanic got nerfed too much. needs a descent atlas-skill-node.

She was the fastest Pinnacle boss spam in the game. Of course she got nerfed.

GGG is on that 30 map minimum trip.