Expedition Currency Printer
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This vendor (Tujen) is a bit problematic for the game economy I think.
We had 4 leagues with him and here are effects of his presence: -Basic currency (Alts, Fusings, Vaals, Chaos) are worth very little, so much so you're just filtering them out unless it's a big stack -Exalts are overvalued, approaching 200 chaos in mid league -Stacked Deck income from him is very high -He's also a major source of Enlightens, Cortexes and other stuff like this He's so good in fact that majority of players are running Expedition strategy to build up currency. It's pretty simple - you spec it on the atlas tree and then apply however much 'juice' you want or can afford. Then once you have a healthy logbook supply you split better ones and run them. And then you spend hours upon hours browsing through Tujen's inventory buying up his currency. This strategy is profitable but also it's really boring. Making money in POE should not come from sitting in hideout for hours in front of a vendor. And anyone that did a lot of Tujen haggling (i mean a lot a lot, 2k+ coinage in a league) can tell you that buying exalts is pretty deterministic. You just buy an exalt every 30-50 rerolls on average. And amass another ex worth of other currency. Expedition makes other currency farming methods kinda bad and obsolete, because Expedition does everything. Normally if you wanted a lot of stacked decks, you'd run Heists. But you don't have to, Expedition got you covered. I don't have a problem with other vendors. Gwennen can give you a jackpot worth 100ex+ but this is so rare that you need to spend 100ex on astragali on average anyway. Danning just gives more logooks to run and Rog is fun / greatly helps to get through league start. Tujen though - that's boring yet the most profitable by far. You can't lose with Tujen. I just don't want to play another league where a whole inventory of chaos is worth just 3 exalted. He needs to retire. Last bumped on Jul 20, 2022, 7:43:41 PM
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I don't think it's that bad. Expedition counters are a bitch and a half to deal with in terms of difficulty compared to literally anything else, compounded even further with archnemesis modifiers.
You may get a lot of currency, but you're going to die a lot before you do. PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.
Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build! And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley |
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Also, Expedition is one of the most time consuming "in-map" things. Obviously, not including heist, delve, etc...
You could probably run two maps without Expedition in the time you could run one with. It may seem like just clicking for free currency, but the time loss leading up to that is significant. |
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Yea ever since Tujen was introduced in the game he has been broken ever since.
Not only do you get every raw single currency item in the game from him, you also get: 1: A shit ton of stacked decks 2: A bunch of quality Gems as well as Empower/Enhance/Enlighten 3: Influenced maps 4: Maps 5: A shit ton of fossils 6: A shit ton of essences 7: Cortex/Augmented memory maps 8: Conqeuror Maps 9: Quite often raw exalts (He can and will drop a multi-stack exalt as well) 10: Contracts/Blueprints 11: Fragments 12: Scarabs THE LIST GOES ON WITH THIS GUY It's silly how much he drops and his pool is, everything. Ive done Vaal Temple Black Scythe 80+ logbooks since expedition league. You are guaranteed to at least double your investment. But will most likely get way more than that. He is broken. Mash the clean Last edited by Mashgesture#2912 on Jul 20, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
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" Also for some reason you can use sentinels in logbook areas, which is so hilariously broken that it kind of feels like a game exploit. Add global item quantity and extra rewards to enemies which already have extra rewards and item quantity from remnants. You can roll the logbook itself to add even more quantity, but... why even bother? The limiting factor in my logbooks this league is the amount of loot I can get out of the map in 6 portals.  |
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Tujen is the only useful part of Expedition though.
Rog pretty much hasn't worked since the league and the other who's so unimportant to me I forgot her name is only good for trying to get headhunters and chase items I don't really want because they screw up build testing. Even now I only do Expedition first character then I just start to ignore it. Getting a good card or selling a chase item is about the only thing Expedition offers. "Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
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" Sounds like a knowledge gap. Rog is amazing if you know how to craft. And/or play ssf. Even for trade league rog helps you save a bunch of currency in the early stages of the league. You can make decent to good/ very good stuff with rog. Gambling with Gwennen is a bit of a toss. Its nice enough for an SSF playstyle. Tujen is just straight laughable. Logbooks just get extremely boring after like 100+ of them. Mash the clean
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" This sounds like you're mad and want to gatekeep items in trade league. I read your post as: You want to price gouge people, on trade. Go play SSF and you'll understand that none of what you are saying matters, in SSF. If you have played SSF previously, maybe you've forgotten what it's like (there's a lot of great QoL SSF improvements that have happened over the past 2 years!). There is still significant cost and a lot of rng-luck involved with items from Tujen, just like every other system in the game. You might as well complain in a similar way about Ritual, Metamorph, and so on. Expedition was already set so that main currency must be collected and cannot be traded. This means there is a still a huge time cost in farming up that currency. Just like every other system, some players are highly efficient at it and others less so.. but just because there is the possibility of functional and useful items, doesn't mean the NPC or system itself is bad. In the trade leagues, without several of the systems (including Expedition), small currencies would be prohibitively expensive to trade for. I've played those leagues too, and I can tell you, when dry spells for currency would happen, they were significantly less fun. Trading with people is horrible. This is by design. Therefore, I go out of my way to find alternative means to gather crafting currencies and other items that I need to progress. If you take those sources away (which aren't breaking anything, but your ego), the game goes back to a far worse experience. Yet another unpaid Path of Exile 2 Alpha Tester. Last edited by TwentyFiveEX#7096 on Jul 20, 2022, 7:42:36 PM
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If they want to nerf tujen all they need to do is increase the artifact cost of what he sells. His haggling minigame is a hugely annoying time sink, to the point that some people don't even bother and pay full price. So, increasing prices will also reduce (relative) time spent haggling, which would be nice.
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