elementalist shaper of storms shock mechanic

im playing physical stone golems with brutality as an elementalist and im using the shaper of storms ascendancy notable.

im using cold iron point atm, that means that i dont deal elemental dmg.

im procing shaper of storms with storm brand. the 4-link = storm brand, chance to poison, unbound ailments, culling strike.

that means that im shocking with chaos spell dmg.



my questions:

-) does unbound ailments enhance the power of the shock effect, hence does it result in more dmg the golems are dealing?

-) does culling strike work with that setup? coz i dont feel the monsters insta dying at 10% life. i havent tried big bosses yet though.

The way shaper of storms works is that you calculate your shock % normally then compare that to shaper of storm's 15%. If your original amount is less than 15%, it gets bumped up to that. If it's more, then you get that one. Given you are proccing with storm brand in a 4L, I seriously doubt you can get it past 15% on anything that's worth noticing, so unbound ailments wouldn't do anything for you here.

yes im proccing with lvl 1 storm brand.

why do i not feel the cull btw?

the only reason i put in unbound ailments is cause i saw several ppl doing it on poe.ninja. is it a jebait?

unbound ailments will boost the 15% by the relevant amount, as will other effect of ailments bonuses its pretty easy to get the shaper nodes on elementalist to full value.

If you are using storm brand without any other damage types and unbound ailments on you should have a shock value of 28% ish if my mental maths is right.

aha so unbound ailments does work u say if i have no other dmg sources that boost the storm brand dmg.
TemjinGold is saying the opposite though.

and why cant i feel the culling strike?!

Yeah that isn't how Shaper of Storms works. It's similar to the elemental mastery where exposure is at least 18%. You don't start at 18 and pile things on. You calculate yours normally then compare to the 18.

OP: If you don't believe me, put it in and go shock a boss. Unless your character does ungodly damage, even a normal red tier map boss will do. Then hover your mouse over the boss and see if you get a shock higher than 15 with unbound ailments.

As for culling strike, it really depends on how quickly you dps because you might be killing the guy before the cull can proc. There needs to be a storm brand tick after the guy is at 10% or lower (since your brand likely does next to no damage) for cull to proc. Additionally, mobs with Sentinel AN mod are immune to cull.

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TemjinGold wrote:

Yeah that isn't how Shaper of Storms works. It's similar to the elemental mastery where exposure is at least 18%. You don't start at 18 and pile things on. You calculate yours normally then compare to the 18.

OP: If you don't believe me, put it in and go shock a boss. Unless your character does ungodly damage, even a normal red tier map boss will do. Then hover your mouse over the boss and see if you get a shock higher than 15 with unbound ailments.

As for culling strike, it really depends on how quickly you dps because you might be killing the guy before the cull can proc. There needs to be a storm brand tick after the guy is at 10% or lower (since your brand likely does next to no damage) for cull to proc. Additionally, mobs with Sentinel AN mod are immune to cull.

so it still makes sense to use cull if i get tankier opponents i guess, right?



i tested it in quarry on a tanky rare. i mean im lvl 90, but its just storm brand lvl 1, with 29-43 chaos dmg.
without unbound it shows 16% shock and with unbound it shows 24% shock on the rare. why is that the case?

chance to poison is lvl 17, i tested it with chance to poison lvl 1 so the dmg is reeeaaaally low in quarry and its still the same result.

tested it also in a t9 map and its still 24% shock

That's because the guys in quarry have very little HP compared to map bosses (you are looking at almost 20 levels in difference). You are able to get 16% w/o shaper of storms basically so this is of course what should happen.

But yes for cull it is still worth having if you can spare the socket.

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TemjinGold wrote:

That's because the guys in quarry have very little HP compared to map bosses (you are looking at almost 20 levels in difference). You are able to get 16% w/o shaper of storms basically so this is of course what should happen.

But yes for cull it is still worth having if you can spare the socket.

but i tried on the map boss of t9 glacier which is this goatman. it was 24% there as well - and im literally zdps myself.

/edit: tried on a t10 harvest bear now and it was just 12% shock. hows that possible? shouldnt it be 15% minimum? although i think it was a stormweaver. stormweaver reduces the shock effect maybe by 50%??

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TemjinGold wrote:

Yeah that isn't how Shaper of Storms works. It's similar to the elemental mastery where exposure is at least 18%. You don't start at 18 and pile things on. You calculate yours normally then compare to the 18.

Exposure and ailments work differently, hence the confusion.

Shaper of Storms checks the base shock magnitude and if it's lower, sets it to 15%. This base magnitude (15%) is further modified by ailment/shock effect.

I believe the exposure mastery also checks the base value, which is not obligatory the initial value, like -10% to Fire Resistance from Master of Fire notable. This base value calculated like say base damage (or resistances), summing all +flats first. So if we are Elementalist with "Exposure you inflict applies an extra -25% to the affected Resistance" it will result in base Exposure value of -35% to Fire Resistance. Which is then compared to -18%.

So this is very beneficial for ailments since we have modifiers for the base value to be more effective. But we don't have modifiers like this for exposure, we can only scale the base value.

upd.

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MonaHuna wrote:

This base value calculated like say base damage summing all +flats first

I should note that I mean base damage for ailment calculation purposes here. Base damage of skill doesn't include +flats.