one of the most SAD item in poe...... Facebreaker, please GGG make it happen!!

hello everyone!!

starting with 3 major points to consider when using a facebreaker:

1- amulet slot take so 1 less item slot to use!!

2- no weapon to use so 2 major big item slots not to use!!

3- using facebreaker itself means no gloves with other stats to use so THREE major item slots are reserved for a niche mechanic!!!!

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a worth noting point is facebreaker is melee and melee is sad (coming from a melee mainly player)

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argument!!

GGG mentioned they will make it possible to use claws with facebreaker (which is huge and great stat-wise, because weapons give attack speed base dmg and base crit and those are huge main elements in melee build besides what other lovely stats a weapon comes with!!)

but the problem with that fix is soooo many limited skills to use with claws which is almost as bad as having low bad dmg!



suggested fix!!

introduction of *brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* UNARMED MELEE SKILLS!!!

explanation:

as in shield skills (one of the cool things about melee) making unarmed skills that has a base physical value that could scale with something like STR DEX or INT for example (don't know why int just example) and they can make a base crit chance too and base attack speed!!

such fix would result in:

1- no need to make claws usable with facebreaker (so no instant leech claw easy choice).

2- GGG will be able to determine a good balance with the absence of a weapon and the ability to use any amulet thus they can adjust the numbers so nothing is broken!!

3- introduction of many interesting new skills like monk style fisting!!


downsides!!!!

I have nothing on mind but this thread is open for argument :D feel free to point out issues :D

DO NOT forget that the current state of FB is simply the epitome of bad whether legacy or not there is no balance there its either focus on dmg only or get mediocre dmg output!!

What?
Claws with facebreaker alone will break the game.

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plaguefear wrote:

What?
Claws with facebreaker alone will break the game.

Undoubtedly dude, I mentioned that.

That's what GGG said they planning on doing.

But that's not as good because only specific skills will work with it (cyclone being best and most op)

Buuuut my suggested fix has the main 2 concerns covered:

1- it's balanced with numbers easily.

2- the possibility of cool monk energy fisting is just too good and other BADDASS skills would be nice.

At the end of GGG consider such idea it would be nice but might take a while to get to game.

Its not the leech that would break the game.

800% inc phys dmg would turn any random shitty claw into an endgame valid beast.
The leech would just be a nice bonus but not even needed, since you can get life/mana gain on hit easily and sustain everything you want all day long.

I mean, a 300 dps claw would become a 2700dps claw with all the additional goodies you might find on a weapon, as opposed to an empty slot. That would obviously be hella dumb, unless they're just planning on using the 'claw' item template without any stats, and then you could do the same thing by enabling all claw gems to work with unarmed.

So, quote or it didn't happen.

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raics wrote:

I mean, a 300 dps claw would become a 2700dps claw with all the additional goodies you might find on a weapon, as opposed to an empty slot. That would obviously be hella dumb, unless they're just planning on using the 'claw' item template without any stats, and then you could do the same thing by enabling all claw gems to work with unarmed.

So, quote or it didn't happen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mr1bpg/claw_can_be_used_on_unarmed_this_league/

^ that link is the fastest I saw when I googled "poe unarmed claws" i watched the stream live as I always do and I'm pretty sure Chris mentioned that they are working on that.

now aside from happening or not happenning.

YES it would be huge like crazy dumb huge dmg THUS my solution is to make an unarmed set of skills, which can be balanced and adjusted by ggg as they please with no issue (also the dmg isn't the main thing with claws here... its the insta leech claw dude that is like using acuity if its possible to use such claw with facebreaker)

so besides how cool it would be to monk fist enemies, the unarmed skills would put life in facebreaker gloves which are pretty dead and in a sad stat

dude remember that melee depends heavily on weapons. so going unarmed is just too much of a damage loss even with legacy FB 1k more dmg its still bad

also just to let you know i pobed FB on claw builds they don't add a raw 1000 more dmg the calc is different because the line says melee dmg

Unarmed+Claws is supposed to be a PoE2 thing. Could very well end up being limited to specific claws, or new ascendancy classes, etc. Could also prohibit you from using gloves, just as Hollow Palm Technique already does. Or they could nerf claws to accommodate them counting as unarmed. Or they could nerf Facebreaker into oblivion to accommodate for being able to use claws.

Whatever ways it ends up being restricted or limited, full use of claws + Facebreaker as they exist now will never happen. It would be far beyond broken.

maybe they could add something like "no base weapon dmg" to facebreaker

this would open up stuff like poison on hit,maim on hit,resi on weapon or mods from uniq weapons like dmg with movemenskills etc

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UniZeus wrote:

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raics wrote:

I mean, a 300 dps claw would become a 2700dps claw with all the additional goodies you might find on a weapon, as opposed to an empty slot. That would obviously be hella dumb, unless they're just planning on using the 'claw' item template without any stats, and then you could do the same thing by enabling all claw gems to work with unarmed.

So, quote or it didn't happen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mr1bpg/claw_can_be_used_on_unarmed_this_league/

^ that link is the fastest I saw when I googled "poe unarmed claws" i watched the stream live as I always do and I'm pretty sure Chris mentioned that they are working on that.

now aside from happening or not happenning.

YES it would be huge like crazy dumb huge dmg THUS my solution is to make an unarmed set of skills, which can be balanced and adjusted by ggg as they please with no issue (also the dmg isn't the main thing with claws here... its the insta leech claw dude that is like using acuity if its possible to use such claw with facebreaker)

so besides how cool it would be to monk fist enemies, the unarmed skills would put life in facebreaker gloves which are pretty dead and in a sad stat

dude remember that melee depends heavily on weapons. so going unarmed is just too much of a damage loss even with legacy FB 1k more dmg its still bad

also just to let you know i pobed FB on claw builds they don't add a raw 1000 more dmg the calc is different because the line says melee dmg

Oh, if it's PoE2 who knows what they're planning to do. If I had to guess what happened, they wanted the base damage for shapeshifting to come from the shapeshift gems, but then they had a problem with facebreaker multiplying that damage 9 times. So, they're probably going for a full unarmed rework, and facebreaker will have to be changed accordingly.

Dunno if I'd call it a sad item, it's still perfectly usable damage-wise. The reason it isn't meta is the socket pressure, these days we want those 3 extra sockets much more than three years ago. Considering that the socket situation is also changing in PoE2, that alone would be a huge buff to facebreakers.

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aggromagnet wrote:

Unarmed+Claws is supposed to be a PoE2 thing. Could very well end up being limited to specific claws, or new ascendancy classes, etc. Could also prohibit you from using gloves, just as Hollow Palm Technique already does. Or they could nerf claws to accommodate them counting as unarmed. Or they could nerf Facebreaker into oblivion to accommodate for being able to use claws.

Whatever ways it ends up being restricted or limited, full use of claws + Facebreaker as they exist now will never happen. It would be far beyond broken.

I mean Chris said and specified the use of FB with claws

I just finished my shift and watched the stream of ultimatum at 2x speed and my eyes hurt dude but I kept slipping some parts, all I could found was Reddit posts

However my post isn't about claws on unarmed dude ^^' it's about unarmed skills